Favorite Saltwater mix?

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Guest

Post by Guest » Thu May 11, 2006 6:55 am

What is RO?

Bio-Sea Marinemix (if I can find it) or Red Sea salt mixed with my Bottled Spring water would in your opinion be the best? We buy the bottled water for ourselves because the tap water here is bad (in our opinion) it smells strong kind of sulferish in some parts of town not too bad here at our house we did put a softwater tank on which has made things better and we will be putting a filter on our water supply then we'll start drinking it and maybe feeding to the hermies (We just moved here mid Feb). I do like using Spring water because I worry about the dechlorinator.
hermies do NOT have nearly the excretory capabilities of higher order animals, so most of what goes in them, stays there, for good or ill.
Can the dechlorinator be harmful and build up toxic levels over time? I think most of us do not have filtered pools.
stress coat works well too but i don't know if it helps hermits the same way it helps my Bruce
I've seen some threads questioning the use of Stress Coat on hermies. I myself choose not to use it until I get better information.



I'll repeat myself in saying I really appreciate your advice and opinions this is such an interesting thread.


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Guest

Post by Guest » Fri May 12, 2006 3:28 am

I was thinking about tapwater today, and I realised that chlorine/chloramines aren't all that's in it. What about fluoride? Fluoride is a metal, right? Is it bad for them, or could it possibly strengthen their exo the way it works for teeth? And there's the other metals in tapwater as well.


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Guest

Post by Guest » Fri May 12, 2006 8:55 am

I’m going to ask again only because I think my question got lost in between a larger discussion. Sorry if nobody knew the answer or if it was just here someplace obvious :oops:

We use a brand of salt water mix that is equivalent to Doc Well Fish, but when we mix it up according to the instructions it doesn’t taste salty to us. Should it? Should we be adding more salt?


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Guest

Post by Guest » Fri May 12, 2006 9:12 am

I think yes. I use Doc Wellfish right now. I was told to mix 1 T of salt to 2 Cups of water. Which should be the the same as the instructions on mixing the Brine on the box of 8 T to one gallon. 16 cups in a gallon... so it is the same as the mixing for brine instructions. I also leave salt crystals in the food dish in case they want it. I think the only real way to know for sure if the salinity is right is to use a hydrometer.

I tasted mine and it does taste salty to me.


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Guest

Post by Guest » Fri May 12, 2006 9:20 am

Thank you! I'll start putting some crystals in the food dish too.


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Guest

Post by Guest » Fri May 12, 2006 9:21 am

I was looking at salt online to buy and a brand called Marine Environments was rated best? I don't know if it is just sharkysreef.com opinion or what but maybe it's one you could test.


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Guest

Post by Guest » Fri May 12, 2006 9:35 am

I'm not even sure what brand it is. I keep meaning to look when I'm home but I never remember. :oops:


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Guest

Post by Guest » Fri May 12, 2006 5:51 pm

Featherscrabs wrote:What is RO?
RO means reverse osmosis. It is a method of filtering your tapwater, well, not really filtering, but processing, that removes just about EVERYTHING but pure H2O. The problem is that natural water is a lot more than pure H2O, so you have to re-add things back in. Any method of trying to artificially reproduce natural things has its issues. With RO, the water is pure, but you have to add chemicals. With tapwater, you have to remove metals, etc etc
Bio-Sea Marinemix (if I can find it) or Red Sea salt mixed with my Bottled Spring water would in your opinion be the best?
Well, like I said, I like Oceanic, too. But yes, either of those is quite good, as is the Catalina Water Company Natural Seawater, which is just that. Jug'o'saltwater from the ocean.
http://www.aquacraft.net/s9910.html
has a list of salt mixes as compared to NSW(natural seawater), explains the point system, and lists the testing agency. *DISCLAIMER*- AquaCraft MAKES sea salt. Bio-Sea Marinemix, Coral Marine, and Marine Environment are MADE by Aquacraft, so, obviously, they are going to use a study that compares them favorably. I will post back after I've looked at some OTHER researchers' work as well, and see what they think.

Considering how well Bio-Sea did in other trials, and that they consider bio-sea to not be their best quality product, I would say, by all means, GO for the Marine Envornment. It has to at least be better than most of the others out there.
Spring water does NOT guarantee that is is chlorine free, I cannot emphasize that enough. They did a study on bottled spring water, and a great many companies just re-package tap water or well water. Even well water can have some really bad impurities.

I don't use Stress Coat for crabs, except to boil shells (it gives them a NICE luster, and then I rinse in dechlor saltwater) All that it has in it is Aloe Vera, which isn't harmful to crabs, but not really necessary either.

Fluoridated water isn't really great for crabbies, either. Fluoride is TOXIC. It is a POISON. That is why baby toothpaste doesn't contain it. It has a very small risk to benefit ratio. Just enough is great, but too much can be very dangerous. In humans, fluorosis causes brown spots on teeth and eats away enamel. Advancec cases eat away at everything ELSE in your body, as well. Toothpaste and floruidated water are great, adding supplements on top of that is bad. Hermit crabs can tolerate MUCH smaller amounts of most toxins than humans can, so they can most likely handle only VERY small amounts of fluoride. In crustaceans, it can cause internal systems to fail, and prevents formation of good exo, and can cause death during molting, from a too-weak exo that they are removing, and inability to form new exo.

I'll add the Marine Environment to my list of salts to test, but it looks pretty good from the manufacturers' studies. We'll see how it holds up :-)


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Guest

Post by Guest » Fri May 12, 2006 6:50 pm

Thanks for all the great help and info...

I was surfing around and came across a site called Ask Wimble (www.foreverpurple.com) under Wimblees care articles "making Ocean Water" that said:

"Doc Wellfish's Aquarium Salt

Aquarium salt is not the same as sea salt and this product is no longer considered acceptable for creating a ocean water supply. "

I'm concerned now. I have been using Doc Wellfish for a while. I am really glad you are going to do this study.

He also lists 7 other Marine salts by name and mixing direction in case you might be interested.


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Willow

Post by Willow » Sat May 13, 2006 11:30 pm

Doc Wellfish (which is no longer called "Doc Wellfish" but is now "API aquarium salt") is not appropriate for salt water tanks, because those need supplementation to keep the conditions stable. But it should be fine for hermies, because they don't actually live in the water. Also, a lot of crabkeepers have been using Doc Wellfish for years, with good results. Let the results speak for themselves.
Yes, the water should taste like the ocean if it's properly mixed. Very salty. All the salts I've tested mix at 1/2 cup per gallon of water (2 tablespoons per quart).


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Guest

Post by Guest » Sun May 14, 2006 8:50 am

I was reading about the red sea salt mix and I intend to buy some. Only thing is, it says on their website that it has a built-in dechlorinator. I want to make up the saltwater with spring water, so I don't need a dechlorinator. Would it be better for me to buy a salt mix which doesn't already contain a dechlorinator? (unnecessary chemicals) But Red Sea is a good brand so maybe it would still be the best after all... I don't know.

Right now I think I have a choice of Instant Ocean or Red Sea so I'll prolly go with the Red Sea but would Oceanic or Bio-Sea Marine Mix be better?


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Willow

Post by Willow » Sun May 14, 2006 10:03 pm

Was this: http://www.redseafish.com/Product.asp?d ... &proID=190 the site you were referring to? I can't find any mention of a built-in dechlorinator, and since it was designed to be used with RO water (all marine aquarium salt is), it doesn't make any sense for them to add a dechorinating agent. Let me know where you read that, I'd be interested to see it.


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Guest

Post by Guest » Mon May 15, 2006 4:32 am

Yes, that was the site I went to. I could have sworn it said that... But after checking your link it doesn't. I checked the site where I found bio-sea marine-mix and it has a built-in dechlorinator so maybe that was the one I was thinking of. Here's the link:
http://www.northcoastmarines.com/salt_mixes.htm


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Guest

Post by Guest » Mon May 15, 2006 4:38 am

This site has some interesting stuff, csinegra
http://www.northcoastmarines.com/salt_comparison.htm


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Guest

Post by Guest » Mon May 15, 2006 6:47 am

Ask Wimbee is a Hermit care site linked from Epicurian Hermit. He didn't site his source for Doc Wellfish being bad for Hermits.... I'll keep using it (like you said let the results speak for themselves) until I am I out and then I had already planned to switch to a marine salt.

So then if I use RO water with a marine mix it would be fine for the hermies since marine mix was designed for use with the RO and will put the good stuff back in the water? My hubby wants to install a RO system on our tap here since our water is yucky here. Does anyone know if it is ok for humans to drink only RO water?

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