Switching Tanks

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Switching Tanks

Post by sabrinamae12 » Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:31 pm

Hello, all!

My name is Sabrina and I'm new to the forum, but not to crabs (although I'm very definitely still learning!). I've had hermits off and on for 10 years, but have had my current group for going on three years now. My mom bought me a pair for Christmas my sophomore year of college (Dec. 2013) because I could keep them in my dorm. Then I went to the pet store to look for shells and saw that all but one of their crabs was dead, so I rescued him. And she did the same with another pair from a local store.

So what I'm getting at is that I now have 5 or 6 (forgive me - only two are active, it's been so long since I've seen multiple up at a time, and they all keep swapping shells that I can't remember exactly how many I have) small PPs in a ten gallon tank. I know this is not ideal, but it's what I had to work with in my dorm and I couldn't leave them to die at the pet stores. I have a 20-long tank with a lid that I would like to move the group into once I get my substrate mixed and the tank set up, but I'm looking for how to do that.

I have never smelled the death smell from that tank in three years, so I'm hoping everyone is still alive. I am worried, however, that a couple could be molting. I keep checking for windows but haven't found any to ease my concerns. Should I set up the new tank, move the two active guys that I see every day, smooth out the substrate and wait for the others to surface? Luckily this isn't rushed. I'd like to turn their 10 into a tropical tank at some point, but it can wait as long as they need. I've answered the questions below from the emergency template, since I'm new :D

1. What kind of substrate is used in your tank and how deep is it?
A mixture of coco fiber and play sand, about 6 inches deep
2. Do you have gauges in the tank to measure temperature and humidity? If so, where are they located and what temperature and humidity do they usually read?
Yes, temperature on the left side of the tank, 78-80F. Humidity on the right side, 78-80%. Both have very little fluctuations.
3. Is a heat source used in the tank? If so, what?
No.
4. What types of water are available (fresh or salt) and how is the water treated (what brands of dechlorinator or salt mix and what ratio is used to mix it)?
Both fresh and salt. The salt water is mixed with Instant Ocean and the fresh uses Jungle Start Right water conditioner.
5. What kinds of food do you feed and how often is it replaced?
I'm terrible on this one - they normally eat T-Rex Fruit and Flower and Zoo Med Fruit Salad store-bought foods. This is something I'm looking to change now that I've graduated. I've already viewed the foods list here and will be offering fresh foods.
6. How long have you had the crab and what species is it, if known?
Between 2 and 3 years, and I think they're all PPs
7. Has your crab molted, and how long ago did it happen?
Yes, at least three have successfully molted that I was fully aware of. Between work and school, I wasn't always on top of the goings-on in my crabitat. bad crab mom here :cry:
8. What type of housing are the crabs kept in, what size is it and what kind of lid is on the housing?
10 gallon glass aquarium with a screen lid that is saran wrapped.
9. How many crabs are in the tank and about how large are they?
5 or 6, ranging from large-tiny to small-mediums.
10. How many extra shells are usually kept in the tank, if any?
6. Any suggestions on where to buy more? The pet stores around me never have ones with the right openings.
11. Have there been any fumes or chemicals near the crabitat recently?
No.
12. How often do you clean the tank and how?
Spot cleaning when food is in the substrate, but otherwise no.
13. Are sponges used in the water dish? If so, how are they cleaned?
Yes, rinsed, dried, microwaved and replaced.
14. Has anything new been added to your crabitat recently?
No.
15. Is there any other information you would like to share that might be helpful (anything that is regularly part of your crab care, playtime, bathing, etc.)?
Above :)

Thanks!

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Re: Switching Tanks

Post by KayedeeLove<3 » Thu Jun 30, 2016 3:37 pm

Waiting is always best! To dig a crab is a death sentence etc! Id even wait a couple days after they surface to add them in.

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Re: Switching Tanks

Post by Kermie16 » Fri Jul 01, 2016 6:54 am

[quote="sabrinamae12"]Hello, all!

My name is Sabrina and I'm new to the forum, but not to crabs (although I'm very definitely still learning!). I've had hermits off and on for 10 years, but have had my current group for going on three years now. My mom bought me a pair for Christmas my sophomore year of college (Dec. 2013) because I could keep them in my dorm. Then I went to the pet store to look for shells and saw that all but one of their crabs was dead, so I rescued him. And she did the same with another pair from a local store.

So what I'm getting at is that I now have 5 or 6 (forgive me - only two are active, it's been so long since I've seen multiple up at a time, and they all keep swapping shells that I can't remember exactly how many I have) small PPs in a ten gallon tank. I know this is not ideal, but it's what I had to work with in my dorm and I couldn't leave them to die at the pet stores. I have a 20-long tank with a lid that I would like to move the group into once I get my substrate mixed and the tank set up, but I'm looking for how to do that.

I have never smelled the death smell from that tank in three years, so I'm hoping everyone is still alive. I am worried, however, that a couple could be molting. I keep checking for windows but haven't found any to ease my concerns. Should I set up the new tank, move the two active guys that I see every day, smooth out the substrate and wait for the others to surface? Luckily this isn't rushed. I'd like to turn their 10 into a tropical tank at some point, but it can wait as long as they need. I've answered the questions below from the emergency template, since I'm new :D

1. What kind of substrate is used in your tank and how deep is it?
A mixture of coco fiber and play sand, about 6 inches deep
2. Do you have gauges in the tank to measure temperature and humidity? If so, where are they located and what temperature and humidity do they usually read?
Yes, temperature on the left side of the tank, 78-80F. Humidity on the right side, 78-80%. Both have very little fluctuations.
3. Is a heat source used in the tank? If so, what?
No.
4. What types of water are available (fresh or salt) and how is the water treated (what brands of dechlorinator or salt mix and what ratio is used to mix it)?
Both fresh and salt. The salt water is mixed with Instant Ocean and the fresh uses Jungle Start Right water conditioner.
5. What kinds of food do you feed and how often is it replaced?
I'm terrible on this one - they normally eat T-Rex Fruit and Flower and Zoo Med Fruit Salad store-bought foods. This is something I'm looking to change now that I've graduated. I've already viewed the foods list here and will be offering fresh foods.
6. How long have you had the crab and what species is it, if known?
Between 2 and 3 years, and I think they're all PPs
7. Has your crab molted, and how long ago did it happen?
Yes, at least three have successfully molted that I was fully aware of. Between work and school, I wasn't always on top of the goings-on in my crabitat. bad crab mom here :cry:
8. What type of housing are the crabs kept in, what size is it and what kind of lid is on the housing?
10 gallon glass aquarium with a screen lid that is saran wrapped.
9. How many crabs are in the tank and about how large are they?
5 or 6, ranging from large-tiny to small-mediums.
10. How many extra shells are usually kept in the tank, if any?
6. Any suggestions on where to buy more? The pet stores around me never have ones with the right openings.
11. Have there been any fumes or chemicals near the crabitat recently?
No.
12. How often do you clean the tank and how?
Spot cleaning when food is in the substrate, but otherwise no.
13. Are sponges used in the water dish? If so, how are they cleaned?
Yes, rinsed, dried, microwaved and replaced.
14. Has anything new been added to your crabitat recently?
No.
15. Is there any other information you would like to share that might be helpful (anything that is regularly part of your crab care, playtime, bathing, etc.)?
Above :)

Thanks![/quote
Definitely leave the buried guys alone until they resurface and regain some strength. I would go ahead and get the new tank ready and heat/ humidity stabilized and then move the hermies on the surface over. I have bought shells from Naples Seashell Company as well as from Michael's and A.C. Moore arts and craft stores. I know many crabbers have bought shells from eBay as well. Your plan to switch them to fresh foods is definitely best! Make sure to take a look at the HCA's safe food list. It's very helpful and I keep a printout of it in sheet protectors next to my tank :). I also like to order some foods from Hermie's Kitchen, Crabotanicals, and the Hermit Crab Patch. Your not a bad crabby mom! We are all doing what we can to give these guys a good life after taking them from bad situations. Good luck with your molters and the move!! Would love to see some pics of your hermies and your new tank set up when it's all done! :D


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Re: Switching Tanks

Post by sabrinamae12 » Tue Jan 03, 2017 4:55 pm

Hello again!

Bit of an update here.

I finally got around to setting up my 20L the other day. I recently changed jobs and got my coworker interested in crabs and now we're fueling each others' hermie habits :lol:
I was visiting my local pet stores with my dog after a vet appointment and noticed around 15 in one small "tank" at one store. No water, 40% humidity - the usual :roll: Long story short, I came home with 4 new hermit crabs :oops: so I bathed the four new ones and my two old guys, moved them to the new tank, and started decorating.

After well over 6 months of waiting for my buried guys to resurface, I decided to slowly start digging in my old 10 gallon. I found no empty caves, crab remains, or anything like that. No flooding or bacterial blooms on the bottom. Slight compaction (but after around 3 years in the tank with minimal changes to the substrate and several moves to and from college, I was expecting that!). No smells at all, but a couple of buried shells. So I don't know what happened to my other guys, but I guess it is what it is :(

Immediately a couple of the new friends buried under - the biggest guy and one of the small ones. My older two started chowing down on the egg yolk and dried fruit pieces I put in the tank, and a new little guy investigated the new moss cave. All in all, the transition hopefully is going smoothly. I left for work at 7 this morning, so I'll check in on them when I'm home around 5:30.

I tried to rescue the ones from the store that were badly in need of larger shells or that were missing parts of limbs. They were so overcrowded in the store, so hopefully they'll do better in my tank.

As a side note, if anyone can help identify species/genders, that's something I'm curious about. I haven't picked names even for my old two because I want to pick names that coincide with genders... Even though I know they don't care :)

I can't figure out how to upload pictures from Google Drive and I don't have time to play around with it too much now. But here's a link to the album:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BwjZY ... WpKOGwwTnM

I named all the pictures so they should be grouped by crab. My two old guys are at the end of the album. I don't have pictures of the whole tat yet because I was too busy tinkering last night and I'm still waiting on decorations. Let me know what you think! :)

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Post by aussieJJDude » Tue Jan 03, 2017 5:50 pm

Species - PP (purple pinchers)
Gender - Unknown (http://www.hermitcrabassociation.com/ph ... 67&t=92519 ~ this may help)

But they are all really cute and seem to have a really nice crabitat! :)
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Post by sabrinamae12 » Tue Jan 03, 2017 6:31 pm

Thanks for that! I got home and the old guy that had definitely outgrown his shell had switched! So I threw out his yucky half painted old one. He was the one I would have figured wasn't a PP, but it's good to know that's what he is

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Yesterday

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Peekaboo :)

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I think he likes his snazzy new shell Image

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Post by kieagcarm » Tue Jan 03, 2017 8:02 pm

He is a cutie, I can't view the pics on Google for some reason though it just loads to a gray screen

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Post by kieagcarm » Tue Jan 03, 2017 8:06 pm

Oh, wanted to say you probably didn't find the other crabs due to over crowding, it causes cannibalism. I have a 20g tall and people tell me mine is at max capacity at 5 crabs, so maybe don't buy any more crabs for your new tank so you don't have the same issues. It's hard to see the poor conditions at pet stores, I always want to save some but have to tell myself I won't be doing anyone(myself, the crabs or the pet store, as it boosts sales) any good by buying a few. I'll over crowd my babies, cause aggression and possibly cannibalism, I'll promote the selling of crabs, so even though it breaks my heart I have to leave them where they are

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Post by Kermie16 » Tue Jan 03, 2017 8:46 pm

Congrats on ur new guys! They are adorable^_^


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Post by sabrinamae12 » Tue Jan 03, 2017 10:20 pm

kieagcarm wrote:Oh, wanted to say you probably didn't find the other crabs due to over crowding, it causes cannibalism. I have a 20g tall and people tell me mine is at max capacity at 5 crabs, so maybe don't buy any more crabs for your new tank so you don't have the same issues. It's hard to see the poor conditions at pet stores, I always want to save some but have to tell myself I won't be doing anyone(myself, the crabs or the pet store, as it boosts sales) any good by buying a few. I'll over crowd my babies, cause aggression and possibly cannibalism, I'll promote the selling of crabs, so even though it breaks my heart I have to leave them where they are

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Thanks for putting it that way. It is so hard to walk away from them but it's true that it's still possible to overcrowd my tank at home as well, and that's not something I want at all! We're all just trying to give these guys a good life!

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Re: Switching Tanks

Post by sabrinamae12 » Tue Jan 03, 2017 10:28 pm

Here's a few pictures of my crabitat so far. Still waiting on some decorations to come in.

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The left side of the tank, with my homemade moss cave and freshwater pool.

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The right side with cholla to the shell shop, coco hut, a goofy fish decoration I picked up years ago that they've always loved, silly plastic trees ice debated tossing but that they love to climb and sit on top of, and food bowls. One with egg and half a grape and the other with a hunk of local Amish comb honey.

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Full tank view. Still a work in progress, but I don't think too shabby for just a couple days' work! Can't wait to get my hands on my Amazon purchases!


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Post by LadyJinglyJones » Wed Jan 04, 2017 12:16 am

Looking good... new crab swag is always so exciting. :D
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Post by NLindsey921 » Wed Jan 04, 2017 12:20 am

sabrinamae12 wrote:Thanks for that! I got home and the old guy that had definitely outgrown his shell had switched! So I threw out his yucky half painted old one. He was the one I would have figured wasn't a PP, but it's good to know that's what he is

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Yesterday

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Peekaboo :)

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I think he likes his snazzy new shell Image

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He is an Ecuadorian actually not a purple pincher. His pincher is not purple and he has oval eyes instead of round.

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Post by aussieJJDude » Wed Jan 04, 2017 7:28 am

NLindsey921 wrote:He is an Ecuadorian actually not a purple pincher. His pincher is not purple and he has oval eyes instead of round.
Yep, sure is. Must of missed that one in the photo shoot! :)
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Post by NLindsey921 » Wed Jan 04, 2017 8:36 am

I looked and didn't see him in the photo shoot. But some of the pictures did not load for me so I might have missed him as well.

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