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New to hermit crabs, have just spent about $85 on stuff-help

Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 11:47 pm
by wildhogking
I really hope this is the right forum to post this - If not, I'm sorry! I'm new! I couldn't find a specific forum for this kinda post, this felt closest to.

I've owned 3 hermit crabs in my life. One I owned when I was very young, and after having learned more about these beautiful little creatures, I slowly killed him. I kept him in the terrible little plastic cage they give you, with less then an inch of sand, no shells or playthings, colder than needed and with low humidity, and fed him pellets and tap water. Poor little guy, RIP. He's in crabby heaven now. I now own currently two, Brule and Tito, who are adorable. I'm trying to do it right this time.

Both Brule and Tito are about 3 inches wide and 2 inches tall, they're medium sized relative to the other ones in the souvenir shop I bought (but looking back, rescued) them from. I think they're called Caribbean Hermit Crabs, and they have the big purple claws that I've seen mentioned on this site a few times.

Tank. I purchased a hermit crab tank at PetCo for about $35. However, I realize now I made a TERRIBLE mistake that I am hoping to correct ASAP. It's a kind of plastic-wire-cage mesh thing. It's about 1x2x1 (LWH feet). It was cheaper than the solid glass tanks and we thought it'd be good for them to climb on (which they do! they love climbing on the walls and it lets me easily pet their legs while climbing. also, is that okay? or does it stress them too much?) but there are major problems. 1) It doesn't keep heat or humidity well at all. More on that later. 2) I can only fit about 3 inches of substrate (and I didn't know I needed so much! I've had them about two weeks, I just learned they need at least 6 inches of substrate. Apparently they completely bury themselves when molting rather than just hiding! I'm learning more every day!) and that will not do. It also lets all kind of creatures and crawlies get inside (more on that later too!). Overall a terrible decision, even though it was cheaper and is more portable. I am hoping to get a 20 gallon tank soon to move them into, and maybe keep this one as an isolation tank or something.

Substrate. My substrate is sand that I bought. It's only about 3 inches like I said, and they can't bury themselves completely. I am planning to get much more with the new tank. I am curious as to what you all recommend though. Should I stick with sand? I've also seen people recommend this brown stuff called coconut fiber (I think)? Or a mixture of both? Either way I plan to make it about 6 inches deep so they can molt safely. I've seen people slant it, so it's deeper on one side and less deep on the other. Also, if I use sand, I read somewhere that it is better to keep it at "sand-castle consistency". How could I keep it this moist at all times?

Food. For food I've been mostly feeding them small amounts (they really do eat very little!) of the pellets I got from the souvenir shop. However I've read that they eat fresh food and it's better so I've been putting in romaine lettuce and little bits of apple. I'm hoping to also put in cucumber and tomato, maybe carrots or strawberries too! I am curious if they can eat types of meat. I know they can eat shrimp in some form because I've seen the processed shrimp food. I don't think giving them processed deli meats would be good though. I replace their food either every day or every other day, depending on how much sand they've kicked into food bowl (which is actually a small shell we boiled). I replace any fresh foods daily.

Water. I have two dishes, one with spring water (bought by the gallon for like 89 cents) and one with salt water. I use salt water conditioner (All Living Things brand) and tap water for the salt water. I had sponges in both because I thought they actually drank via the sponge, but it seems they just drink regularly. They also were throwing the sponge out of the saltwater every day, so I've removed it (although my sponge in the fresh water is still in there). I replace the water usually every two days but sometimes if there is a lot of sand in there or no water left I replace it earlier. I feel pretty good about their water situations, although are there any ways to stop them from getting so much sand in the bowl? And I'm curious, do they bathe themselves in both, drink both, use one for each, or just bathe in one but drink both?

Shells. Another problem that I plan to fix very soon. They currently each have a painted shell. Terrible, I know. Sadly, before I knew how horrible painted shells are, I bought two more shells at PetCo for them to change into... and both of them are also painted. And I know, only two extra shells is not even close to ideal. They are also both a little big (I overestimated their size when buying) and one of them has a long narrow opening instead of a nice round one. I'm probably going to scrap both of those and buy around 6 unpainted shells. All around their size, one or two bigger, one or two a bit smaller.

Temperature. This is where I've faced most problems. Like I said, my cage does not keep heat in well. In my home, it's usually around low 70s (specifically 71). I think they're technically OK at this temperature, but they aren't as active as if I put them outside. I put them outside one day and they were much more active (despite it being 90+) however, the entire tank became immediately infested with ants and it was terrible cleaning everything up. That is not an option anymore. I did buy a small undertank heater, and although it heats up itself, it has almost no effect on the tank whatsoever. What else can I do to keep them at a good temperature? Do I just need to get a new tank with a heating lamp on top? I'm feeling that's my best bet. Also, do they need to stay at a constant temperature both day and night, or is it okay for them to cool down at night? And does the light need to stay on at night?

Humidity. I don't have the little thing to measure humidity (forgot the name of it). I've been misting the cage about three times a day with saltwater and misting them individually (spraying at them about 5 inches away once or twice) once a day. I don't think the cage is keeping humidity well. Not much else I can say about it right now.

I think that's about everything. I also have little tiny decorative shells and a cocohut in there. There's some plastic palm trees and a little climbing cage, as well as some (boiled) shells from the beach (we bought them on... sadly probably not the beach they were captured from). They have stuff to play on. I'm sorry this was so long and so many questions. I just really care about these little guys and want them to live long, healthy, happy lives, since they've been through so much stress already. My priorities:
-New tank
-More shells
-More substrate
-More varied diet
-Consistent, healthy temperature.

Re: New to hermit crabs, have just spent about $85 on stuff-

Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 8:31 am
by piratetoothgir
Hello! Welcome to the HCA! :)

You will need to keep the crabs in a glass tank, wire enclosures do not hold heat nor humidity, and it's nearly impossible to find ways to heat them.
I believe that PetCo is having or about to have their dollar gallon sale, where you can get cheap tanks!
Yes, they do love to climb, which is why they need things to use for climbing, such as plastic plants, wood or rocks, and other decorations.

You can stick to PlaySand or EcoEarth, but many people here mix the two together, it really doesn't matter which one you choose :)
The substrate does need to be six inches, or three times as deep as your largest crab is big, whichever quantity is larger.
If you have stable humidity, the substrate will normally remain moist, but you can lightly spray it whenever it becomes dried out.

Hermit crabs need a largely varied diet! They need to have proteins, calcium, fruits, and vegetables, as well as fats and oils in their diet.
You can buy organic foods from the grocery store, as well as organic raw meat with one ingredient, and without preservatives.
They are scavengers, so they will eat decaying foods from the ground, and eat in very small quantities!

You must have fresh and salt water available at all times, this is very important.
I recommend using Instant Ocean for the saltwater, and Prime to dechlorinate :)
The pools need to be deep enough for their entire body to submerge and have a safe way of getting in and out.

Shells are also a very important part of a hermit crab.
When you buy them from a store, they are most likely going to be painted, which is bad for them.
You will have better luck getting the right type of natural shells preferred by each species of crabs.

I recommend a temperature of 80/80 for both temperature and humidity for your crabs, but a little fluctuation in temperature is fine :)
Anywhere in the lower 70's or below is when they will start to become sluggish and weak, they will most likely die if kept lower for extended periods of time.
I don't recommend going above 90 for too long, hotter temperatures can also cause issues.

You must have a way to properly measure the temperature and humidity.
There are great humidity and temperature gauges at WalMart, called Acurite :)
Be sure to always calibrate your gauges, they can fail without any warning!

Okay, below I have linked all the guides for the topics you have described.

Purple Pincher: http://www.hermitcrabassociation.com/ph ... 51&t=92452
Tank Setup: viewtopic.php?t=92457
Safe Food: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=92557
Unsafe Food: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=92556
Shells: viewtopic.php?f=24&t=92552
Humidity: viewtopic.php?f=26&t=92544

I hope this helps you, good luck! :)

Re: New to hermit crabs, have just spent about $85 on stuff-

Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 10:47 am
by curlysister
It's great that you are doing research on providing the best conditions for you crabs! Congrats!

I think Stella covered most of your questions very well. Be sure to read through the info in the links to the care guides, there is lots of really good info in there.

As stated, the substrate MUST be kept moist enough to hold it's shape (ie- sand castle consistency), so that when the crabs tunnel and bury themselves, they can be in a little 'cave' and not have the substrate collapse. I have always used a mixture of 5 parts sand (play sand, cheap at hardware stores, DO NOT use sand labelled as 'hermit crab sand') to 1 part Eco Earth. It holds moisture quite well.

Also as stated, a hygrometer should be on your priority list - crabs need high humidity in order to breathe, and will die if it is consistently too low. My first tank didn't have a lid - many people cover the top with saran wrap to keep humidity in, and just 'vent' it a little as needed. You definitely need a better tank. Sometimes used online sites are good for stuff like that, just wash them well with vinegar and water, rinse, and let them air out for a day first.

The under tank heater should not go under the tank - it needs to go on the back or a side. If your tank has a lid/ saran on top, and no mesh sides, the heat from the UTH will stay in. Many people insulate parts of the tank (depending on the brand of UTH, some can be insulated over and some can not). Some people use lamps and some do not. I have never had a lamp, but do have UTH on three sides of my tank (I live in Canada, temps outdoors range from -40C in winter to +40C in summer, I have no air conditioning in my house, so depending on the temp indoors I might have none, 1, 2, or all 3 plugged in, LOL).

The food pellets need to go, they are NOT good for crabs. As Stella said, crabs need a varied diet, with protein and a calcium source. Check the links she provided, as well as this one with the food pyramid:

viewtopic.php?f=25&t=92554

I have never used a light, there is a window in the room where my crabs are, and they get daylight when it's light and dark when it's dark, LOL. If you do use a light, it shouldn't stay on at night, as they need a light/ dark cycle.

Re: New to hermit crabs, have just spent about $85 on stuff-

Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 12:12 pm
by JoeHermits
It’s good that you’re misting them, but you’ll want to use fresh water in your mister, not salt. Using a salty spray can cause the salt to accumulate over time. Hermit crabs can handle some salt in their enclosure, but you don’t want to go overboard.

Also, for a good UTH, look for the Ultratherms from Beans End or Reptile Basics. Zoo Med and other brands are weak and really expensive.


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Re: New to hermit crabs, have just spent about $85 on stuff-

Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 1:12 pm
by wildhogking
Wow, thank you all for the information and kindness. This has all been really helpful. My little guys (I think they're guys, I haven't had an opportunity to really look for those little black dots yet) are going to be happy and healthy once I get a new tank.

We were lied to when they said these were easy pets though!

Re: New to hermit crabs, have just spent about $85 on stuff-

Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 1:16 pm
by piratetoothgir
wildhogking wrote:Wow, thank you all for the information and kindness. This has all been really helpful. My little guys (I think they're guys, I haven't had an opportunity to really look for those little black dots yet) are going to be happy and healthy once I get a new tank.

We were lied to when they said these were easy pets though!
They get easier once you secure the tank properly, they generally are not hard to care for.


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Re: New to hermit crabs, have just spent about $85 on stuff-

Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 5:46 pm
by curlysister
Once you get the tank set up properly, they aren't too difficult to look after! LOL!

Re: New to hermit crabs, have just spent about $85 on stuff-

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:57 pm
by ashleylovesyou
I'm in the same boat you are! Bought my first few crabs since childhood, and quickly realized I had never raised them properly :| I totally feel your pain wasting money on supplies that aren't ideal (like pet store food and cages). So far, I've spent more than expected on my crabs (mostly the tank), but I think you can do it right cheaply. Check Craigslist and Facebook Marketplace for cheap aquariums! Once you're all set up, hermit crabs are pretty affordable to maintain.

A few tips I've learned recently that haven't been mentioned yet in this thread:
  • Digital hygrometers are better than analog. Fortunately, they're not super expensive. I just ordered this one, which I've seen recommended around this forum: https://amzn.to/2LMBD5O
  • Lots of people recommend The Happy Hermit Etsy seller for organic food. I just ordered a 20-pack variety of dried foods from Hugs For Hermits on eBay for $10. It's best to mix up their diet whenever possible rather than feeding them the same thing every day.
  • Sponges aren't necessary, and can actually breed bacteria. You can dry them out and keep them in the cage for your crabs to munch on, though!
  • Humidity is super important. A moss pit can help keep humidity up, and you can add a bubbler to your pool for cheap, which I hear works wonders. This thread has directions: https://bit.ly/2JNp4oX (I found an all-in-one bubbler kit on Amazon for $13: https://amzn.to/2NFzN7f)

Re: New to hermit crabs, have just spent about $85 on stuff-

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:35 pm
by GotButterflies
Hello! Welcome to the HCA! :butterfly::

I just wanted to mention a couple of things :)

Be careful not to mist your tank too much. That can lead to flooding. Salt water definitely needs to be marine salt (for making a saltwater fish tank). Instant Ocean, Red Sea are a couple of popular brands. The All Living Things Salt Water conditioner will NOT work for hermits. A lot of things marketed for hermit crabs is well...unfortunately crap.

You also need a good dechlorinator. A lot of us use Seachem Prime. You need something that will remove Chlorine and Chloramine, as well as detoxify ammonia and heavy metals. Those things will burn the hermit crabs modified gills. The dechlorinator needs to be used even with spring water. It should be used for the fw and for the msw.

As far as tanks, Petco's $1 a gallon just recently started. You can also check OfferUp, LetGo, 5miles, and the other places previously mentioned. :) Search reptile, tank, aquarium, vivarium, terrarium. You will find a lot of great deals. Try to go with a glass aquarium. They are better at holding humidity than acrylic (IMO).

Also, the Etsy store is The Healthy Hermit...I know because it is my store ;) LOL ;) You don't have to buy from a store though. Hermit crabs can eat a lot of the same things we eat. :) Just make sure you cover the food pyramid!
Safe food list: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=92557
Unsafe food list: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=92556
Food pyramid: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=92554

Edit: www.reptilebasics.com or www.beanfarm.com

Re: New to hermit crabs, have just spent about $85 on stuff-

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 11:31 pm
by ciaraalston
Well, the pros answered all your questions i believe!
I will add that our local petco is having their dollar per gallon sale, so definitely try to use that deal if you can! Ours is until August 18th, and it goes up to 29 gal. (if you wanted a 20, i'd get a 29 if you can. always better to have more room that realize you need more room :wink: )
Also, tanks bigger than a 29 are half off, if you're looking for a bigger one.
Welcome to the HCA and good luck! Can't wait to see pictures!! :banana: