Scar Went Nude!!

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Scar Went Nude!!

Post by CodyPfettscher » Sun Mar 12, 2017 2:28 am

So the otherday i posted in the health forum because my girl Scar decided to go from a shell she could fully tuck into, in to a shell that barley covered her rear. Well now, Shes Naked, i gently moved her into my isolation tank with 10+shells various sizes(lot bigger than the one that just covered her rear) Is there anything else i could do to help her? or is this the best thing? any help is greatly appreciated.
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Re: Scar Went Nude!!

Post by Hermiearth » Sun Mar 12, 2017 3:23 am

Check your tank temp. If the tank is too hot that could explain why this happened. You can gently place her into a shell.


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Scar Went Nude!!

Post by Menders » Sun Mar 12, 2017 3:41 am

CodyPfettscher wrote:So the otherday i posted in the health forum because my girl Scar decided to go from a shell she could fully tuck into, in to a shell that barley covered her rear. Well now, Shes Naked, i gently moved her into my isolation tank with 10+shells various sizes(lot bigger than the one that just covered her rear) Is there anything else i could do to help her? or is this the best thing? any help is greatly appreciated.
There was another poster who had a naked crab a couple of days ago. And a few days ago my smallest crab lost his shell getting out of a hole. I tried putting him into a small glass with it to encourage him to go back in but he wouldn't. So, I gently cleaned the sand off of his abdomen, put a little water into his shell, picked him up, and very gently guided him back into his shell. You can try gently guiding him into his original shell. It was a last resort effort and that was a few days ago. I put Him back into the crabitat and watched him closely for the next few days. He stayed in and has been his normal self every since. I'm sorry that is all I can offer for advice. I am sure a more experienced member will have some ideas.

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I'm sorry Hermiearth, I read the original post and some how didn't see your response before I posted. I did not mean any disrespect. So sorry...



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Re: Scar Went Nude!!

Post by LadyJinglyJones » Sun Mar 12, 2017 6:40 am

Oh no! :shock:

Is your crab still shell-less? A forty minute to hour period is probably as long as you want to leave the crab unshelled.

Since a naked crab is an emergency situation, it may be a good idea to fill out the emergency template, linked below, to see if we can find anything amiss.

http://hermitcrabassociation.com/phpBB/ ... hp?t=46102

When reshelling, you want to hold the crab in one hand & gently uncurl the abdomen. As mentioned above, clean off the abdomen with fresh water & make sure there are no grains of sand in the shell you select. (I'd use the old shell, unless its on the heavier side, then I'd pick a lighter one with a similar sized opening.)

You can hopefully do this easily, with a finger. If it's tricky, I've read that you can tap the crab gently on the back of the head and it will straighten. Guide the abdomen into the shell, and keep an eye on the crab. If it tries streaking again, repeat.

Also, offer raw honey, a good animal protein source, worm castings if you have them, and all that good stuff.

If the humidity is at the low end, I'd try to get it up higher, into the mid-eighties.

If your crab stays clothed for a few hours it can return to the Gen pop.

Good luck & keep us posted - naked crabs are stressful!
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Post by GotButterflies » Sun Mar 12, 2017 9:51 am

Hello! I posted on your other thread. Definitely please fill out the emergency template so that we can help you. http://hermitcrabassociation.com/phpBB/ ... 27&t=46102 Something is wrong for her to do that. They can pick a smaller shell if they are weak. You can dip her abdomen into the dechlorinated freshwater to rinse it off and then gently uncurl her abdomen and place her into the shell, or gently place her, and the rinsed shell (in dechlorinated fresh water) into a cup and let her do it. Do not leave the shell filled with any water. They need to mix the water for their shell themselves. Put her into iso with raw organic honey, protein and calcium (along with dechlorinated freshwater and dechlorinated marine saltwater) You can use small containers like bottle caps to get it to work. If you don't have an iso, you can use a critter container and place it inside of your main tank. Please answer the template so that we can help you asap. Good luck. It is imperative that the problem get fixed or she may not make it.
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Re: Scar Went Nude!!

Post by LadyJinglyJones » Sun Mar 12, 2017 10:13 am

Oh - and once she's resheled you can provide a dark place for her to chill,,as it's likely to be less stressful for her.
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Re: Scar Went Nude!!

Post by CodyPfettscher » Sun Mar 12, 2017 11:26 am

LadyJinglyJones wrote:Oh no! :shock:

Is your crab still shell-less? A forty minute to hour period is probably as long as you want to leave the crab unshelled.

Since a naked crab is an emergency situation, it may be a good idea to fill out the emergency template, linked below, to see if we can find anything amiss.

http://hermitcrabassociation.com/phpBB/ ... hp?t=46102

When reshelling, you want to hold the crab in one hand & gently uncurl the abdomen. As mentioned above, clean off the abdomen with fresh water & make sure there are no grains of sand in the shell you select. (I'd use the old shell, unless its on the heavier side, then I'd pick a lighter one with a similar sized opening.)

You can hopefully do this easily, with a finger. If it's tricky, I've read that you can tap the crab gently on the back of the head and it will straighten. Guide the abdomen into the shell, and keep an eye on the crab. If it tries streaking again, repeat.

Also, offer raw honey, a good animal protein source, worm castings if you have them, and all that good stuff.

If the humidity is at the low end, I'd try to get it up higher, into the mid-eighties.

If your crab stays clothed for a few hours it can return to the Gen pop.

Good luck & keep us posted - naked crabs are stressful!
She was Shell-less for over an hour but i mean there isnt anything that i could have done? Well that i felt comfortable with atleast. she chose to get out of her shell.? You Should Never Force A Crab Into A Shell I Think This Still Goes Whenever They Decided to go Nude. Shes Fine Now. Chose a Larger Jade Pearled Shell. Thanks For The Help Though
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Re: Scar Went Nude!!

Post by CodyPfettscher » Sun Mar 12, 2017 11:29 am

Thanks for the Help Everyone, But She Fixed Herself, And Everyones Saying i should of put her in a the shell myself??? is this not Forcing a crab? i Dont want to do that, So I Didnt. I Left her in the Iso over night and she Begain picking out one that she was comfortable with.
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Re: Scar Went Nude!!

Post by Menders » Sun Mar 12, 2017 1:24 pm

That's great news!!!


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Post by Hermiearth » Sun Mar 12, 2017 1:47 pm

Menders wrote:
CodyPfettscher wrote:So the otherday i posted in the health forum because my girl Scar decided to go from a shell she could fully tuck into, in to a shell that barley covered her rear. Well now, Shes Naked, i gently moved her into my isolation tank with 10+shells various sizes(lot bigger than the one that just covered her rear) Is there anything else i could do to help her? or is this the best thing? any help is greatly appreciated.
There was another poster who had a naked crab a couple of days ago. And a few days ago my smallest crab lost his shell getting out of a hole. I tried putting him into a small glass with it to encourage him to go back in but he wouldn't. So, I gently cleaned the sand off of his abdomen, put a little water into his shell, picked him up, and very gently guided him back into his shell. You can try gently guiding him into his original shell. It was a last resort effort and that was a few days ago. I put Him back into the crabitat and watched him closely for the next few days. He stayed in and has been his normal self every since. I'm sorry that is all I can offer for advice. I am sure a more experienced member will have some ideas.

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I'm sorry Hermiearth, I read the original post and some how didn't see your response before I posted. I did not mean any disrespect. So sorry...



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Re: Scar Went Nude!!

Post by Hermiearth » Sun Mar 12, 2017 2:09 pm

Well we were telling you to encourage her to go into a shell. A crab without a shell is a crab in danger who is very stressed. The situation is not normal.


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Post by GotButterflies » Sun Mar 12, 2017 2:13 pm

Hermiearth wrote:Well we were telling you to encourage her to go into a shell. A crab without a shell is a crab in danger who is very stressed. The situation is not normal.


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Agreed! I still think you should fill out the emergency template Cody. Something is not right for her to have done that.


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Post by soilentgringa » Sun Mar 12, 2017 4:33 pm

If your crab is naked and will not reshell itself you have to reshell it. This is very different than forcing it out of one shell and into another.

A crab without a shell will not live. They cannot be naked.

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Post by KayedeeLove<3 » Sun Mar 12, 2017 7:34 pm

You must reshell a naked crab they have 0 chance of survival without a shell. Id keepa very close eye on that crab and fill out the emergency log to find out the issue.

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Post by LadyJinglyJones » Sun Mar 12, 2017 7:53 pm

CodyPfettscher wrote:
She was Shell-less for over an hour but i mean there isnt anything that i could have done? Well that i felt comfortable with atleast. she chose to get out of her shell.? You Should Never Force A Crab Into A Shell I Think This Still Goes Whenever They Decided to go Nude. Shes Fine Now. Chose a Larger Jade Pearled Shell. Thanks For The Help Though

Heya! I'm so glad she fixed the situation - I think it's a good sign. :D

That said, keep a close eye on her... the changing into a too-small shell thing, followed by going naked for several hours is worrisome. She may be unwell, or something in the tank may be off & causing her behaviour.

Reshelling a stubbornly shell-less crab is an accepted practice in the greater crabbing community.

The reason for this is simple - the crabs dehydrate rapidly without access to their shell water. Shell water is brushed over gills to facilitate breathing, and keeps the abdomen, which isn't well protected, from drying. A crab can begin to dehydrate shockingly fast - in one study I read, researchers described crabs in the wild without shells usually succumbing if they were without a shell for longer than four hours. Hopefully a pet-owners humidity is high enough that a crab has a bit more leeway, buy you get the picture.

The longer a crab is out if it's shell, the more moisture it loses. At a certain point (a conditionally variable length of time) the animal has become too dehydrated, and will suffer permanent physical damage. It may not be immediately apparent, but will affect the crab's future health - or even kill it. There's only do much strain any animal's immune functions and physical reserves can handle.

So while it is (obviously!) better that your crab reshelled herself (less handling = lower stress levels = more resilient crabbie), if this happens again, you may want to act more proactively. How long you wait is a matter of discretion: some aren't willing to take the risk of the crab being without a shell longer than an hour.

The rule about not forcing crabs into (or out of) shells ordinarily still holds - but streaking is dangerous. In the wild, a persistent nudist will die.
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