Should I dig to check on "Killer Croc"?

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Should I dig to check on "Killer Croc"?

Post by Lburns » Tue Jan 20, 2015 4:51 pm

1. What kind of substrate is used in your tank and how deep is it?

3.5-4 inches deep. Half Eco Earth and half "Hermit Habitat Procalcium Hermit Terrarium Sand"

2. Do you have gauges in the tank to measure temperature and humidity? If so, where are they located and what temperature and humidity do they usually read?

Yes. Located toward center of tank. I struggle with Humidity. Ranges from 64-80. Temperature is consistent between 73-75.

3. Is a heat source used in the tank? If so, what?

Yes. I currently have an exo terra hood light that holds 1 bulb. I have the max wattage in it. A 25 watt exo terra night-glo moonlight lamp that I keep on all the time. And, I have a Zoo Med 4 watt crab heater attached to the back top portion of my tank.

4. What types of water are available (fresh or salt) and how is the water treated (what brands of dechlorinator or salt mix and what ratio is used to mix it)?

I have a dish of saltwater and a dish of freshwater in tank at all times. I use the premixed bottles of hermit crab water that they sell at Petco.

5. What kinds of food do you feed and how often is it replaced?

I empty dish every morning and feed fresh food every evening. I feed a variety of fresh fruits and veggies. Oatmeal, popcorn (no salt). Wardley hermit crab premium food 100% dried whole shrimp. Give chicken, ground beef, bacon with no spices occasionally if I'm cooking something for dinner. Occasionally give all living things hermit crab calcium supplement and the hermit crab patch natural mineral supplement.

6. How long have you had the crab and what species is it, if known?

Don't know species. Had 3 crabs since September of 2014. 1 has passed ("Robin" RIP).

7. What type of housing are the crabs kept in, what size is it and what kind of lid is on the housing?

10 gallon zilla glass critter cage with wire mesh top. I had a piece of glass cut at Lowes that I keep over the wire mesh. The glass covers all but about an inch of the wire mesh on all sides.

8. How many crabs are in the tank and about how large are they?

2 crabs. 1 buried. 1 out and about. Don't know how to measure. I would guess they are both medium size.

9. How many extra shells are usually kept in the tank, if any?

7 natural shells of slightly varying sizes.

10. Have there been any fumes or chemicals near the crabitat recently?

No.

11. How often do you clean the tank and how?

Have spot cleaned top layer of substrate but that's all so far.

12. Are sponges used in the water dish? If so, how are they cleaned?

Sometimes if humidity is low. I clean them every few days with really hot water and let them air dry completely before I reuse them. I have about 5 that I keep in rotation.

13. Has anything new been added to your crabitat recently?

No.

14. Is there any other information you would like to share that might be helpful (anything that is regularly part of your crab care, playtime, bathing, etc.)?

Handle the crab(s) every few days for 5 minutes or less each time. Batman was found as a stray. He was roaming around in the grass outside my son's daycare. He was missing a leg when I found him. He has had one successful molt and regenerated his leg. Robin and Killer Croc were purchased as friends for Batman from a pet store. Killer Croc is down for his first molt. Robin was (I thought) molting for the first time since I had him before I found him dead.

15. Please describe the emergency situation in detail.

1 of my crabs has died. Based on recent feedback about my crab care, I know I need to have more substrate and keep it more moist. I also know I need to increase my temp by about 10 degrees. And, work harder to keep my humidity up. Killer Croc is currently buried. I, obviously, don't want to change my substrate until he is out. But, I'm really worried that perhaps he has passed as well. He went down for his first molt the week of Dec. 1st. On Dec. 24th I saw him. He was still buried but moving around near the side of the tank. I could see him thru the glass enough to know it was him. He was only visible for about an hour and I have not seen him or any signs of him since. Based on pictures I uploaded, and my humidity levels, I've been told my substrate is too dry. I'm worried that perhaps Killer Crocs molting tunnel caved in on him :( I want to fix the issues with my substrate and everything else asap before anything happens to Batman. Of course, I want Killer Croc to be ok too. But, I'm so worried since he and Robin both came from the same pet store and Robin died during his molt. I do not smell any bad smells in the tank. I could not smell anything from when Robin died except if I put my nose practically right on him. I am 100% sure Robin was dead though and not still in the process of molting. Should I dig a little around the same place I saw Killer Croc on Dec. 24th to see if he's ok? Or, is it too soon?

Thanks in advance for your help/advice.
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RIP Robin (did not survive 1st molt).

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Re: Should I dig to check on "Killer Croc"?

Post by singlemomwithcrab » Tue Jan 20, 2015 5:21 pm

Lburns wrote:1. What kind of substrate is used in your tank and how deep is it?

3.5-4 inches deep. Half Eco Earth and half "Hermit Habitat Procalcium Hermit Terrarium Sand"
OH CRAP...dig man dig.

This stuff solidifies and kills the crab. Its made to be used dry. When you add water it turns into a kinda chunky cement-y mess.

Go to Home depot or Lowes and get "PLAY SAND" or QUICKCRETE sand - fine grain silica

I will let the moderators comment more, but if you can get to home depot or lowes tonight, I would.
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Re: Should I dig to check on "Killer Croc"?

Post by singlemomwithcrab » Tue Jan 20, 2015 5:54 pm

Lburns wrote:1. What kind of substrate is used in your tank and how deep is it?

3.5-4 inches deep. Half Eco Earth and half "Hermit Habitat Procalcium Hermit Terrarium Sand"

2. Do you have gauges in the tank to measure temperature and humidity? If so, where are they located and what temperature and humidity do they usually read?

Yes. Located toward center of tank. I struggle with Humidity. Ranges from 64-80. Temperature is consistent between 73-75.

3. Is a heat source used in the tank? If so, what?

Yes. I currently have an exo terra hood light that holds 1 bulb. I have the max wattage in it. A 25 watt exo terra night-glo moonlight lamp that I keep on all the time. And, I have a Zoo Med 4 watt crab heater attached to the back top portion of my tank.

4. What types of water are available (fresh or salt) and how is the water treated (what brands of dechlorinator or salt mix and what ratio is used to mix it)?

I have a dish of saltwater and a dish of freshwater in tank at all times. I use the premixed bottles of hermit crab water that they sell at Petco.

5. What kinds of food do you feed and how often is it replaced?

I empty dish every morning and feed fresh food every evening. I feed a variety of fresh fruits and veggies. Oatmeal, popcorn (no salt). Wardley hermit crab premium food 100% dried whole shrimp. Give chicken, ground beef, bacon with no spices occasionally if I'm cooking something for dinner. Occasionally give all living things hermit crab calcium supplement and the hermit crab patch natural mineral supplement.

6. How long have you had the crab and what species is it, if known?

Don't know species. Had 3 crabs since September of 2014. 1 has passed ("Robin" RIP).

7. What type of housing are the crabs kept in, what size is it and what kind of lid is on the housing?

10 gallon zilla glass critter cage with wire mesh top. I had a piece of glass cut at Lowes that I keep over the wire mesh. The glass covers all but about an inch of the wire mesh on all sides.

8. How many crabs are in the tank and about how large are they?

2 crabs. 1 buried. 1 out and about. Don't know how to measure. I would guess they are both medium size.

9. How many extra shells are usually kept in the tank, if any?

7 natural shells of slightly varying sizes.

10. Have there been any fumes or chemicals near the crabitat recently?

No.

11. How often do you clean the tank and how?

Have spot cleaned top layer of substrate but that's all so far.

12. Are sponges used in the water dish? If so, how are they cleaned?

Sometimes if humidity is low. I clean them every few days with really hot water and let them air dry completely before I reuse them. I have about 5 that I keep in rotation.

13. Has anything new been added to your crabitat recently?

No.

14. Is there any other information you would like to share that might be helpful (anything that is regularly part of your crab care, playtime, bathing, etc.)?

Handle the crab(s) every few days for 5 minutes or less each time. Batman was found as a stray. He was roaming around in the grass outside my son's daycare. He was missing a leg when I found him. He has had one successful molt and regenerated his leg. Robin and Killer Croc were purchased as friends for Batman from a pet store. Killer Croc is down for his first molt. Robin was (I thought) molting for the first time since I had him before I found him dead.

15. Please describe the emergency situation in detail.

1 of my crabs has died. Based on recent feedback about my crab care, I know I need to have more substrate and keep it more moist. I also know I need to increase my temp by about 10 degrees. And, work harder to keep my humidity up. Killer Croc is currently buried. I, obviously, don't want to change my substrate until he is out. But, I'm really worried that perhaps he has passed as well. He went down for his first molt the week of Dec. 1st. On Dec. 24th I saw him. He was still buried but moving around near the side of the tank. I could see him thru the glass enough to know it was him. He was only visible for about an hour and I have not seen him or any signs of him since. Based on pictures I uploaded, and my humidity levels, I've been told my substrate is too dry. I'm worried that perhaps Killer Crocs molting tunnel caved in on him :( I want to fix the issues with my substrate and everything else asap before anything happens to Batman. Of course, I want Killer Croc to be ok too. But, I'm so worried since he and Robin both came from the same pet store and Robin died during his molt. I do not smell any bad smells in the tank. I could not smell anything from when Robin died except if I put my nose practically right on him. I am 100% sure Robin was dead though and not still in the process of molting. Should I dig a little around the same place I saw Killer Croc on Dec. 24th to see if he's ok? Or, is it too soon?

Thanks in advance for your help/advice.
Ok, I'm going to give this a go. Experts please chime in.

1. What kind of substrate is used in your tank and how deep is it?

3.5-4 inches deep. Half Eco Earth and half "Hermit Habitat Procalcium Hermit Terrarium Sand"
Get this out as soon as you can. Go to straight Silica sand. Play sand or quickcrete from Home Depot / Lowes. Best price and best sand. THCP has the good stuff but pricy. Mix one 50Lb bag of play sand with 1 block of pre-moistened EE (EE mixed with 1 gallon approx of dechlorinated water with 1/4-1/2 cup Instant Ocean mixed in), mix well. For humidity, I boil my water and mix hot. I use thick cleaning glove - new pair to protect my hands from heat. This allows me to put in the tank warm and I don't struggle to get temp and humidity up initially. I use a turkey thermometer to check it and mix until it's a constant 85 degrees and then put it in the tank. I mix my sub in a large tote.

2. Do you have gauges in the tank to measure temperature and humidity? If so, where are they located and what temperature and humidity do they usually read?

Yes. Located toward center of tank. I struggle with Humidity. Ranges from 64-80. Temperature is consistent between 73-75.

3. Is a heat source used in the tank? If so, what?

Yes. I currently have an exo terra hood light that holds 1 bulb. I have the max wattage in it. A 25 watt exo terra night-glo moonlight lamp that I keep on all the time. And, I have a Zoo Med 4 watt crab heater attached to the back top portion of my tank.
If you are struggling, and you have safety concerns with the kids, this is a favorite of a lot of crabbers. Initially, it may seem like an investment but the work extremely well and are really safe. Won't burn the kids.

http://www.reptilebasics.com/ultratherm ... -uth-6-x11


4. What types of water are available (fresh or salt) and how is the water treated (what brands of dechlorinator or salt mix and what ratio is used to mix it)?

I have a dish of saltwater and a dish of freshwater in tank at all times. I use the premixed bottles of hermit crab water that they sell at Petco.
The hermit crab glub from Petco isn't preferred. You can get a Instant Ocean 10gal box of marine salt (contains over 70 minerals needed for Hermit health) for about $9. It is 1/2 cup per gallon dechlorinated water. You can get API declorinator for about $6. Both fresh water and salt need to be dechlorinated - needs to be a water conditioner for dechlorination, removes ammonia and heavy metals.

5. What kinds of food do you feed and how often is it replaced?

I empty dish every morning and feed fresh food every evening. I feed a variety of fresh fruits and veggies. Oatmeal, popcorn (no salt). Wardley hermit crab premium food 100% dried whole shrimp. Give chicken, ground beef, bacon with no spices occasionally if I'm cooking something for dinner. Occasionally give all living things hermit crab calcium supplement and the hermit crab patch natural mineral supplement.
Double check all manufactured foods to make sure they don't contain these three ingredients.
⁃ EQ or Ethoxyquin an antioxidant
⁃ Copper Sulfate
⁃ BHT, also known as butylhydroxytoluene


6. How long have you had the crab and what species is it, if known?

Don't know species. Had 3 crabs since September of 2014. 1 has passed ("Robin" RIP).

7. What type of housing are the crabs kept in, what size is it and what kind of lid is on the housing?

10 gallon zilla glass critter cage with wire mesh top. I had a piece of glass cut at Lowes that I keep over the wire mesh. The glass covers all but about an inch of the wire mesh on all sides.

8. How many crabs are in the tank and about how large are they?

2 crabs. 1 buried. 1 out and about. Don't know how to measure. I would guess they are both medium size.

9. How many extra shells are usually kept in the tank, if any?

7 natural shells of slightly varying sizes.

10. Have there been any fumes or chemicals near the crabitat recently?

No.

11. How often do you clean the tank and how?

Have spot cleaned top layer of substrate but that's all so far.

12. Are sponges used in the water dish? If so, how are they cleaned?

Sometimes if humidity is low. I clean them every few days with really hot water and let them air dry completely before I reuse them. I have about 5 that I keep in rotation.

13. Has anything new been added to your crabitat recently?

No.

14. Is there any other information you would like to share that might be helpful (anything that is regularly part of your crab care, playtime, bathing, etc.)?

Handle the crab(s) every few days for 5 minutes or less each time. Batman was found as a stray. He was roaming around in the grass outside my son's daycare. He was missing a leg when I found him. He has had one successful molt and regenerated his leg. Robin and Killer Croc were purchased as friends for Batman from a pet store. Killer Croc is down for his first molt. Robin was (I thought) molting for the first time since I had him before I found him dead.

15. Please describe the emergency situation in detail.

1 of my crabs has died. Based on recent feedback about my crab care, I know I need to have more substrate and keep it more moist. I also know I need to increase my temp by about 10 degrees. And, work harder to keep my humidity up. Killer Croc is currently buried. I, obviously, don't want to change my substrate until he is out. But, I'm really worried that perhaps he has passed as well. He went down for his first molt the week of Dec. 1st. On Dec. 24th I saw him. He was still buried but moving around near the side of the tank. I could see him thru the glass enough to know it was him. He was only visible for about an hour and I have not seen him or any signs of him since. Based on pictures I uploaded, and my humidity levels, I've been told my substrate is too dry. I'm worried that perhaps Killer Crocs molting tunnel caved in on him :( I want to fix the issues with my substrate and everything else asap before anything happens to Batman. Of course, I want Killer Croc to be ok too. But, I'm so worried since he and Robin both came from the same pet store and Robin died during his molt. I do not smell any bad smells in the tank. I could not smell anything from when Robin died except if I put my nose practically right on him. I am 100% sure Robin was dead though and not still in the process of molting. Should I dig a little around the same place I saw Killer Croc on Dec. 24th to see if he's ok? Or, is it too soon?

Thanks in advance for your help/advice.
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Re: Should I dig to check on "Killer Croc"?

Post by Lburns » Tue Jan 20, 2015 5:59 pm

Oh no!!! I will go check on him now! I knew that the zoo med small bags of calci-sand were bad and did that but, I thought that this kind of sand I bought was different :( I feel horrible now!!!!!!

This is the link to the exact sand I have (mixed with eco earth):

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0027J ... UTF8&psc=1
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Re: Should I dig to check on "Killer Croc"?

Post by Lburns » Tue Jan 20, 2015 6:16 pm

He's alive!!! He's alive!!! Thank goodness!!!

I found him in the same spot I had seen him on Dec. 24th. Got him out and his claws were moving! Didn't keep handling him or try to get him to come out of his shell or anything. He was tucked into his shell. My substrate is not an even mix of eco earth and the sand. It's more like one 1/2 is EE and the other 1/2 is sand. So I moved him to the side that is more EE. I didn't completely cover him back up. But, I dug a little hole in the EE, put him in and covered him with the cave hut thing I have so he is still in the dark.

Is that the right thing to do??

Now, I just hope I haven't stressed him to the point where he will die of stress!!!! But, I feel like he should be far enough along with his molting process that he has a good chance of being ok, right?? (I hope!!!!) He had really pretty color and the claw and legs I could see looked in good condition.

Should I still change substrate tonight? Or wait a few days at least to see how he does. I don't want to kill him from too much change/stress!

Should I do anything else for him at this point or just wait and see???
4 PPs. Crabbing since Sept. 2014. Batman - Found as a stray (holy crab!) (2 molts). Killer Croc (1 molt). Man-Bat (1 molt). Lex Luthor (1 molt).
RIP Robin (did not survive 1st molt).

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Re: Should I dig to check on "Killer Croc"?

Post by singlemomwithcrab » Tue Jan 20, 2015 6:29 pm

Yeah - I looked up your cali-sand before I replied. It is silica free...ekkkk.

I would give him a soak as the cali-sand can get in his shell. Take a small tupperware with dechlorinated water and put about enough to come about 1/3 of the way up his shell and let him chill a little while to see if he needs to clean anything out around his abdomen. Just keep it dark and maybe put something soft or familiar in with him. You want to temp the water like you do with a baby bottle, not hot, not cold. Work on the sub as soon as you can but if you have moss then you could build a quick moss pit and kind of keep him off the sub but in the same tank for now. With kids, it's not always possible to do it now! :D
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Post by Lburns » Tue Jan 20, 2015 6:34 pm

Thank you for your help!!
4 PPs. Crabbing since Sept. 2014. Batman - Found as a stray (holy crab!) (2 molts). Killer Croc (1 molt). Man-Bat (1 molt). Lex Luthor (1 molt).
RIP Robin (did not survive 1st molt).

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Re: Should I dig to check on "Killer Croc"?

Post by singlemomwithcrab » Tue Jan 20, 2015 6:38 pm

No problem. I was where you are less than a year ago. Trying to do the right thing but needing help :D
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Re: Should I dig to check on "Killer Croc"?

Post by Lburns » Tue Jan 20, 2015 6:48 pm

Oh, and, to correct…I've actually been using "All Living Things" brand hermit crab water solution. I initially used the Petco water but don't now. Is the water I'm using bad? Should I be mixing my own instead?
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Re: Should I dig to check on "Killer Croc"?

Post by singlemomwithcrab » Tue Jan 20, 2015 7:03 pm

It's just way expensive comparatively speaking and substandard. The marine salts are much better for them. And cheaper in the long run as you can mix them by the gallon. 1/2 cup salt per gallon dechlorinated water. The glubs won't hurt them but won't help either.
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Re: Should I dig to check on "Killer Croc"?

Post by crabmommy » Thu Jan 22, 2015 11:27 am

singlemomwithcrab--I like your method of preparing substrate. I'm about to mix the sub for my 20 gallon tank, so this is very helpful.


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Re: Should I dig to check on "Killer Croc"?

Post by crabmommy » Thu Jan 22, 2015 11:32 am

Lburns--I hope all is well with Killer Croc. I made lots of mistakes in the beginning, but it's very difficult because of all the misinformation given by pet stores & the makers of lots of hermit crab products. I just keep reading, researching & fixing things when I learn they are wrong. :-)


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Post by Lburns » Thu Jan 22, 2015 4:09 pm

Thank you! Yes, it's tough. Especially, like you said, with all the misinformation. I actually never intended to have hermit crabs. My first crab, Batman, was found as a stray outside my son's daycare. No one wanted to take him home. When there was talk of just putting him back in the grass, I said I'd take him. We went straight to the pet store with him to get supplies. I knew absolutely ZERO about hermit crabs. I bought everything at the pet store for him they told me. Only to realize later that most of it was wrong. So, also like you said, I'm changing/improving things as I go. I'm fortunate that Batman has been thriving since day one. Killer Croc seems to be doing ok. It dawned on me last night that maybe he hadn't finished eating his exo. So, I dug around again this morning and did find 3 legs. I put those near him in the hidey hut thing. He hasn't left the hut (that I have seen). But, this afternoon when i got home I noticed most of the fresh water was gone. Not sure if Batman or Killer Croc used it but it was full this morning. I'm trying to leave Killer Croc alone - as hard as it is for me - but, I've seen enough of him to know he looks good! No missing limbs or anything. Hope he continues to do well!!

Thanks again for your advice and support! So glad I found this forum!!
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Re: Should I dig to check on "Killer Croc"?

Post by YYWW » Fri Jan 23, 2015 12:06 am

Hi! Just wanted to chime in. I agree with the advice you've been given.
The calcium in the sand impacts, cementing the crab in its own shell. You will want to get that out ASAP. Traces of it is ok, so you don't need to super deep clean. We recommend playsand from your local hardware store, as it only costs about $5 for a 50lbs bag. Don't forget to premoisten it!
Great on how you put the crab back, by placing him in a pothole and putting a hide over for darkness. I'm glad you had the good instinct not to bury him in yourself. Bravo!!
Don't worry about using sponges. They're too much work to keep clean, and your crabs don't need them. Consider using a moss pit or just a spray bottle for boosting humidity.
You do need more substrate. That 50lb bag should easily help you get there. If you find heat and humidity to be an endless battle, going with the Ultratherm per singlemomwithcrab's recommendation might be the best bet. Ultratherms are a high quality heating element, which you can get in the perfect size for your tank (entire length of tank, above the line of substrate). They heat effectively without killing the humidity which i find bulbs do.
Another way to get great humidity is by installing bubblers. But you would first need deeper pools. There are nice divided plastic food storage containers that can work for this. This is a great resort for super dry climates that you just cant get the humidity high enough, which is vital for crabs to breathe. Plus crabs loooove bubbles. I caught my PP in the middle of the night last night looking like he was bathing his eyes on bubbles. Funny sight!
In addition to the exo you might also offer some natural peanut butter mixed with honey. I like to put a dab of this on a clean, dry eggshell half. This provides protein, sugar and calcium all in one. It's also very easy to see if little pinchers have been at it The strong smelling offering has been a post-molt favorite in my tanks.



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