2 Crabs molting in too little sand

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2 Crabs molting in too little sand

Post by shoover » Sun Dec 27, 2015 10:18 am

Hi - I'm really worried. I have 3 tiny to small sized crabs and only have 2 inches of sand in the aquarium because I just didn't quite understand that part in the beginning! I know how bad this is but since we got our little buddies one of the crabs kept going under and I was afraid to bother him by putting in more sand. Eventually that one did molt successfully. But about a week ago another one, the tiniest named Tiny, went under and has been there since. And about 4 days the biggest of the 3 now went under too. Each one is under a different water dish, which means they're probably in even less than 2" of sand.

Can I add sand around them while they're molting? Is that too dangerous or is it too late? I can hear the big one (Shiny) scraping around the bottom of the glass tank. I don't know how they got the sand wet but they did so that's good. But it's so little sand I feel terrible. I've also worried that Shiny went down there to attack Tiny but since he hasn't come up, seems he may really be molting as well. We feebly attempted to insert a fence between the two but got scared when it felt like wit might hit something so we scrapped that idea.

We've been crazy about making sure they have they proper temperatures (which hasn't been easy) and fresh food each night but the low substrate is really a problem. If I can add sand to the tank I just need to know how to do it in a way that will not endanger the two molting crabs. Should I put it around the water dish? Will it even make any difference?

UPDATE: Shiny just resurfaced looking the same as before. I immediately took out the water dish and poured more sand under it, which is the dish he dug under. Now I'm worried he did go under to mess with Tiny. Either way, with Tiny still under I can't add sand to increase the level to 6" or whatnot which I really would like to do

Thanks so much. In case it's helpful, below are answers to the questions:

1. What kind of substrate is used in your tank and how deep is it? STERILIZED SAND TAKEN FROM REHOBOTH BEACH

2. Do you have gauges in the tank to measure temperature and humidity? If so, where are they located and what temperature and humidity do they usually read? LOCATED IN BACK CENTER OF TANK.

3. Is a heat source used in the tank? If so, what? MINI HEAT PAD UNDER TANK near a HEAT PAD ON SIDE, 15 WATT RED LIGHT ABOVE

4. What types of water are available (fresh or salt) and how is the water treated (what brands of dechlorinator or salt mix and what ratio is used to mix it)? BOTH. I USE BOTTLED SALT WATER i GOT FROM PETSMART.

5. What kinds of food do you feed and how often is it replaced? USE A POWDER THEY LIKE THAT I GOT FROM THE STORE WHERE I BOUGHT THEM IN REHOBOTH. SUPPLEMENT WITH "ALL LIVING THINGS" HERMIT CRAB VARIETY DIET, FRESH FRUIT & VEGGIES REMOVED DAILY.

6. How long have you had the crab and what species is it, if known? SINCE MID-SEPT, PURPLE CLAW (CARIBBEAN I THINK)

7. Has your crab molted, and how long ago did it happen? ONE OF 3 HAS I THINK.

8. What type of housing are the crabs kept in, what size is it and what kind of lid is on the housing? GLASS 15 GAL ACQUARIUM, GLASS LID

9. How many crabs are in the tank and about how large are they? 3 CRABS, TWO VERY SMALL, 1 SLIGHTLY LARGER (I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SIZE CRABS)

10. How many extra shells are usually kept in the tank, if any? 10 EXTRA SHELLS IN TANK, VARYING IN SIZE

11. Have there been any fumes or chemicals near the crabitat recently? NO

12. How often do you clean the tank and how? I SPOT CLEAN USING A SPOON. WANT TO DO A DEEP CLEAN AND ADD SAND BUT SOMEONE'S ALWAYS UNDER THE SAND SO HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO YET

13. Are sponges used in the water dish? If so, how are they cleaned? YES IN BOTH DISHES. I DON'T CLEAN THEM OFTEN BUT WHEN I DO I DRY THEM OUT, MICROWAVE AND COOL, THEN PUT THEM BACK IN

14. Has anything new been added to your crabitat recently? YES A FAKE PLANT

15. Is there any other information you would like to share that might be helpful (anything that is regularly part of your crab care, playtime, bathing, etc.)? NO. WE'RE STILL GETTING USED TO THEM SO HAVEN'T HANDLED THEM A LOT. I TALK TO THEM DAILY :-)

16. Please describe the emergency situation in detail. SEE ABOVE

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Re: 2 Crabs molting in too little sand

Post by landlubber » Sun Dec 27, 2015 4:02 pm

Do you have an ISO tank? It seems like the simplest and least risky thing to do would be to move the non-molter(s) to an ISO tank for a little while. Teeny crabs (which would be about the size of a marble) don't take long to molt at all, normally just a week or two.
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Re: 2 Crabs molting in too little sand

Post by shoover » Sun Dec 27, 2015 6:04 pm

Thank you for the reply. I separated Shiny in a big tupperware bin and while it's deep it doesn't have much surface area but I'm a bit hesitant to put the other crab in there too as there's barely room for food, water and shells. I'm also pretty sure Tiny got got since Shiny went down, came up and was about to start digging down again to probably "finish what he started," which I read in a reply post. :cry:

Shiny also chased the other hermie away from his hole. I suspect it's probably too late to help Tiny. I guess there's nothing more to do but wait it out to see if Tiny comes up while keeping Shiny isolated? I'll keep a close eye on the 3rd hermie to see if he tries going under too, now that Shiny is out.

One of my questions about using an "ISO" (which I'm guessing is isolation) tank for aggressive or molting hermies has been how one can control the heat and humidity in there? We have worked pretty hard to get our aquarium at the right temp. There's no way I could do the same for tupperware, tho I was able to fit some moss in there. It doesn't seem okay to not worry about temp even for a couple days, am I wrong about that?

Thanks again so much!

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Re: 2 Crabs molting in too little sand

Post by landlubber » Sun Dec 27, 2015 7:20 pm

The main reasons to have the substrate at least 6 inches is so that hermies that are not molting and are on the surface or digging for fun won't bother the molters. If the substrate is deep then crabs can dig in the higher levels and molters don't get eaten, or their shells stolen, or their caves collapsed by other diggers. This is why I suggested moving any non-molting hermies and leave the molter dug down in the main tank. With no one to disturb the molter the shallower substrate shouldn't pose too much of a problem if the hermie can dig down to cover themselves completely so they have darkness.

For the Isolation tank (what you've done will work just fine in a pinch-you did good) if there is damp substrate and a top on the ISO the humidity should be in range. If I didn't have a gauge for my ISO I would simply move the gauges from the main tank to test the levels, and then return it to the main tank. You may need to mist the ISO tank several times a day to keep levels stable. Obviously you can't put a heating device on a Tupperware container, but it's much more convenient to put something that size in a zone in your house where you know it will be warm enough, such as on a table near a vent.

Does that help?
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Re: 2 Crabs molting in too little sand

Post by shoover » Sun Dec 27, 2015 7:38 pm

This totally helps! We are new to hermits and pretty mystified by their ways even tho I've spent hours reading online. I'm still worried about poor Tiny who may have been eaten but now I can understand the reason behind the depth of substrate. I also feel better about the ISO and will do as you suggest. Thanks again!


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Re: 2 Crabs molting in too little sand

Post by shoover » Wed Jan 06, 2016 5:02 pm

TINY'S ALIVE! :banana: I'm writing again because I need advice on if we're doing what we can to help Tiny finish his molt? We were certain that the larger size crab (Shiny - he's either small or medium) had attacked the small one (Tiny, probably a small) while under the ridiculous 2" of sand. But it turns out Tiny is still alive, 10 days since I last wrote! We are SO relieved. He's been down there (no food or water) for at least 3 weeks, which now I realize is about right for a small crab tho edging on a little long.

Per your advice 10 days ago I put the other 2 crabs in ISO for a few days. But since I had no idea when Tiny would come up and was constantly stressed over ISO heat/humidity and crowded surface area, I ended up putting the other 2 back in the tank and separating them from Tiny the molter. I gave them 2/3 of the tank and gave Tiny 1/3 of the tank, divided by a piece of a strong cardboard box. For 10 days we've had no more digging issues with Shiny and zero movement from Tiny.

We were sure Tiny was done for so decided to check on him this morning (aka dig up the remains or check for smell). My husband lifted the water dish and there was Tiny! He pulled his legs slightly into his shell like they do when they're startled. My husband could see no exoskeleton around him. We're figuring he probably molted already, ate it and should be coming up soon (since he moved). Or could it be he molted but had no exo to eat if it was taken by Shiny 10 days ago? Either way we're putting egg shell on the surface for him.

My question and worry is about my husband putting the water dish back down on top of Tiny. From what I've read I think it may be safer to NOT put the water dish back on him so my husband has now removed the dish. What we see is a hole and the shadow of Tiny in there. Is that okay? Should we put the dish back over him, or anything else to protect him from the light? Or do we just leave him in the shallow hole as is?

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Re: 2 Crabs molting in too little sand

Post by mlakers » Thu Jan 07, 2016 1:56 pm

If he created a cave for himself and the water dish was the "top" of that cave, I would put it back carefully. The sand around the hole should support it fine if it did before and it will give him continued darkness in case he has yet to molt. (Sometimes they dig down and wait a long time before molting to make sure it's safe to do so.) Mine often molt next to a hard surface (aquarium glass, water dishes, rocks). I'm guessing it's at least one side that they know they won't have to worry about intruders coming in from.


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Re: 2 Crabs molting in too little sand

Post by shoover » Thu Jan 07, 2016 6:53 pm

Thanks for this. I guess I'll put the dish back up top but not all the way because I can't be sure I won't disturb the sand. I wish he'd come up. He's a small and has been down for around 3 1/2 weeks. I think he's molted but can't figure out why he'd still be down there. :?

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