Crabs completely inactive after dominance display

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Re: Crabs completely inactive after dominance display

Post by OBXPair » Tue Jul 07, 2015 5:56 pm

wodesorel wrote:[My heater] covers the entire back from top to bottom. However, heating the sand causes it to dry out faster, which some people don't want to have to mess with. It takes more maintenance to have one that covers the sub, but it does help humidity levels.
Good to know. However, I've already moved the heater higher--and sure enough, the humidity has dropped quickly and too far. I misted and it came back up, but I know that's a very temporary fix, so I've put some moss in a dish to soak and will stuff it in some corners when it expands. Will that help?
crabbienewb wrote:unrelated to your post, but are you in the outer banks? I'm in jacksonville and have tons of extra crab stuff and some extra shells that would probably fit them if you happen to come to jacksonville ever. and a lot of extra natural foods, that i am literally never going to be able to get through the amount i have.
Thanks so much for the offer! Unfortunately, I'm on the other end of the state, in the mountains. Only the crabs are from the OBX. Well, that's where I got them, anyway. :lol:
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Re: Crabs completely inactive after dominance display

Post by soilentgringa » Tue Jul 07, 2015 7:45 pm

wodesorel wrote:No, that doesn't happen! Mine covers the entire back from top to bottom. However, heating the sand causes it to dry out faster, which some people don't want to have to mess with. It takes more maintenance to have one that covers the sub, but it does help humidity levels.
Oh I'm sorry! I keep seeing that the heating mats or ultratherms can't extend down past the substrate :-/

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Re: Crabs completely inactive after dominance display

Post by wodesorel » Tue Jul 07, 2015 10:09 pm

soilentgringa wrote: Oh I'm sorry! I keep seeing that the heating mats or ultratherms can't extend down past the substrate :-/

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No worries. :) I'm not sure when that recommendation started. It's not a bad one since it makes it easier to maintain the substrate, but there's no danger in having a full height UTH, it's just often not needed. If the tank is in a cold spot though, that extra heat can make the difference.
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Re: Crabs completely inactive after dominance display

Post by Kleinerhejhog » Tue Jul 07, 2015 11:23 pm

Wow, that's good to know. I don't anticipate having problems keeping the heat up, living in Texas, but for folks in cooler areas, this could be a very helpful tip. Thanks!

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Re: Crabs completely inactive after dominance display

Post by CallaLily » Wed Jul 08, 2015 8:09 am

I usually recommend all or mostly above the substrate line just because it does dry out the substrate near it and ime the sand can get clumpy some too (yes, play sand). Not an issue if you can keep up on remoistening it - though be cautious of water temp and the hot glass.

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Re: Crabs completely inactive after dominance display

Post by OBXPair » Wed Jul 08, 2015 10:28 pm

Thanks, everyone, for the hand-holding and the expert advice! We've made a few changes in the tank: the right kind of salt, for one thing, and we also removed the too-small and way-too-large extra shells and replaced them with half a dozen shells that are only slightly larger than the ones Jeff and Jerry were wearing when we acquired them...and guess what? Less than 5 minutes after we added the new spare shells to their environment, THEY SWITCHED SHELLS!! We actually got to see it happen--and I know y'all won't think I'm nuts when I tell you it was SO DOGGONE EXCITING!! :banana:

After that, they had a bit of a dominance display, no shoving this time but some posturing and raring up on walker claws, and even some poking with pincher claws--but there was no actual pinching or grabbing or pulling, and the whole thing was very short-lived. In the end, they sort of edged away from each other, and then they went to explore some more spare shells and eat some peanut butter--and dip their claws into their new-and-improved salt water. This time I knew not to panic at the dominance display, and their behavior in general also seems more...normal?

So now that they seem more settled, I know the next thing to take care of is that too-shallow substrate. Does it seem like a good plan to add more tomorrow? That will mean removing the crabs, dishes, etc. for a few minutes, but if we get everything prepared ahead of time the crabs shouldn't be displaced for more than about 15 minutes. Too much stress? Or is deepening the substrate urgent enough to chance it?

As soon as this question is resolved, this thread can be closed. Again, thank you, everybody. :hearts:
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Re: Crabs completely inactive after dominance display

Post by Kleinerhejhog » Wed Jul 08, 2015 11:38 pm

I'd say get more in there while you can. They need at least six inches for safe molts, and you'd rather not be in my shoes--hoping that Two of Three survives his first molt in barely three and a half inches of sand... It's just a good thing he's little.

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Re: Crabs completely inactive after dominance display

Post by OBXPair » Thu Jul 09, 2015 3:05 pm

Done, Kleiner. Substrate is now as deep as we can make it in this tank, which is to say 6-8 inches, depending on where you measure it (they do tend to dig-and-pile, don't they?). They've been switching shells like crazy, and sometimes threatening to take the other one's shell, but no serious fights have broken out. I have other questions but will post them in other forums since they're less urgent than this situation felt to this new crab owner. :P Thanks, all.
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Re: Crabs completely inactive after dominance display

Post by rf9661 » Sat Jul 11, 2015 6:50 pm

Hello!

I was looking at the photo of your Hermit Crabs and it looks like one of them is a Viola, any thoughts any one? Anyways, keep up the good work! Your effort on coming onto this forum and asking for help was one of the greatest things you did for your hermit crabs! I'm sure you will end up becoming a fantastic Hermit Crab care taker!

Happy Crabbing,
Richard
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