No idea what I'm doing wrong... crab shelless again!! [Died]

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No idea what I'm doing wrong... crab shelless again!! [Died]

Post by grandlinegirl » Fri Feb 27, 2015 1:06 am

I decided to start a thread here because I'm super confused and I don't know what I'm doing wrong. I'm hoping someone can help me =\


1. What kind of substrate is used in your tank and how deep is it?
Play sand and ranges from 10-12 inches deep. I can't afford to get anything to mix in with it right now.

2. Do you have gauges in the tank to measure temperature and humidity? If so, where are they located and what temperature and humidity do they usually read?
Yes and yes. They are located in the centre of the tank, just a few inches above sub. Normally read about 80% humidity and 75-78 degrees. I know that's on the low side, but I don't have another heater right now. I'm waiting for my crabs in my smaller tank to surface so I can move them and the heaters over to the big tank.

3. Is a heat source used in the tank? If so, what?
Yes. Largest Ultratherm available. It's on the back, just above the sub. I have it insulated with tinfoil and styrofoam as best I can (I can't reach the middle back of the tank. It's 150 gallons with 500 pounds of sand in it, so moving it is not possible).

4. What types of water are available (fresh or salt) and how is the water treated (what brands of dechlorinator or salt mix and what ratio is used to mix it)?
Both. Fresh is treated with Prime and salt is treated with Instant ocean. I mixed according to directions on packaging (for Instant Ocean I made a large batch and just refill as needed).

5. What kinds of food do you feed and how often is it replaced?
They are offered a mix of different dried/dehydrated foods that is replaced once a week. Fresh food daily. Everything is from the list of safe foods.

6. How long have you had the crab and what species is it, if known?
It's a PP. I've had him only a few months. I took him in from a home that couldn't care for him anymore.

7. Has your crab molted, and how long ago did it happen?
Yes, I think so. It was right around the 11th, because that's when I found him on the surface without a shell the first time.

8. What type of housing are the crabs kept in, what size is it and what kind of lid is on the housing?
150 gallon. Glass lid.

9. How many crabs are in the tank and about how large are they?
Only 3 right now. Two medium and one small.

10. How many extra shells are usually kept in the tank, if any?
There's 15-20.

11. Have there been any fumes or chemicals near the crabitat recently?
No.

12. How often do you clean the tank and how?
I haven't. It's a relatively new setup.

13. Are sponges used in the water dish? If so, how are they cleaned?
No.

14. Has anything new been added to your crabitat recently?
No.

15. Is there any other information you would like to share that might be helpful (anything that is regularly part of your crab care, playtime, bathing, etc.)?
No playtime, no bathing. I don't handle the crabs unless I have to move them out of the way for maintenance.

16. Please describe the emergency situation in detail.

ALRIGHT.... This little crab is driving me insane. I'm just so frustrated and I don't know what to do anymore. I love my crabs, really, but it's almost getting to be too much for me :(

This guy was underground for 1.5-2 months. He came up sometime on the 11th and I found him without a shell. I posted a topic and got wonderful help. I moved him right into an ISO with a few shells, water, a shelter and some food (crushed eggshell for calcium and organic honey). He reshelled and was doing really well! His colour came back and he was eating and moving around really well. I still left him in ISO for a good while until I was sure he was okay, and then he was put back into the big tank.

He did fine. He was crawling all over and exploring his new giant home. I checked on him a lot and he was fine...

And then tonight I looked into the tank and he was sitting in his food dish without his shell. It was lying just a few inches away from him. His colour is pale again. He was moving around fine. While I was getting his ISO ready again, he moved clear across the tank and hid from me in some plants. I gently scooped him up and got him back into ISO.

I don't understand why he keeps doing this. The first time I figured he maybe bumped into someone underground (in the old tank, there were about 5 other crabs with him) and he got stressed or someone tried to take his shell... but in this new tank, there are only two other crabs and I KNOW they didn't mess with him. The other medium one has been hanging out in the salt water pool for days and the small one spends all its time up in the tree near the top of the tank...

He looks really bad... I don't know if he's going to make it this time. I'm going to leave him be for now and hope he reshells like he did last time... but I don't understand :( Why did he leave his shell this time???
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Re: No idea what I'm doing wrong... crab shelless again!!!

Post by grandlinegirl » Fri Feb 27, 2015 1:25 am

He's in a shell now... I don't know if maybe he wanted a new shell and couldn't find the shellshop since it's on a different level and he just took his off?? It seems like it took a lot out of him to reshell. I've got the lights off and I'm just going to let him be overnight.

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Post by YYWW » Fri Feb 27, 2015 1:32 am

How did he get pale? Did he surface molt recently? Do you have any pix?
Just to doublecheck, are you dechlorinating the SW before adding instant ocean?
Can you show a pic of the tat? I want to see the food bowl where you found him in relation to the pools.
Is the SW bather in the water for several days? Has he come out at all?
Is Mr.Streaker lethargic? Whats his antennae doing? Can you qtip feed him some honey?
What was in the food dish when you found him?


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Post by grandlinegirl » Fri Feb 27, 2015 1:52 am

Not sure how he got pale. I didn't think he had molted but maybe he did... I'm not experienced with molts. I'll post a pic of him.

Yes, water is dechlorinated.

The bather is out now. It was just hanging out in and around the pools. They're not very deep (just enough to get water into the shells) so it was just chilling.

Streaker seems very lethargic, especially since wrestling himself into a shell. His antennae aren't doing much. I'll try and feed him some honey.

In the bowl was a piece of organic apple, some coconut, some dried meal worms, seaweed and some calcium powder.

Food and water dishes. That is the bather there. Don't mind it, I scared it when I went to snap the pic lol. It's very shy.
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This is the crab as he sits in ISO.
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No idea what I'm doing wrong... crab shelless again!!!

Post by YYWW » Fri Feb 27, 2015 2:20 am

Ok for now park his butt in a too large shell in order to cover his bum. Sorta fill that shell with FW so he can sit in a puddle. Then stand a qtip in front of his face so he can reach out his feeding things and taste him some honey and PB with powdered calcium.
Basically shell hardening is a genetically programmed process. Maybe you have that one funky crab that has a hardening handicap? Just give him a little survival kit to help him along. Hopefully the food can give him some pep, which seems like what he was going after when you found him. I always believed water to be a big part of the many stages of molt, so placing him a tongue dip away from a drink might hopefully help.
I think all he needs is energy and time. Place a darkening structure over him to simulate being underground. I hope he gives himself a second chance! Don't be too hard on yourself. It's one thing to have a special needs crab, it's another if ALL your crabs were streaking and slowing down.
Good luck!


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Re: No idea what I'm doing wrong... crab shelless again!!!

Post by hermieluv1 » Fri Feb 27, 2015 4:49 am

YWWW, how eloquently put, as usual!

Special needs crabs...you crack me up! And it's so true!

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Re: No idea what I'm doing wrong... crab shelless again!!!

Post by YYWW » Fri Feb 27, 2015 8:35 am

hermieluv1 wrote:YWWW, how eloquently put, as usual!

Special needs crabs...you crack me up! And it's so true!
Why, thank you! I try, i really do! Image
BTW i noticed a typo of mine and fixed it. Image


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Re: No idea what I'm doing wrong... crab shelless again!!!

Post by wodesorel » Fri Feb 27, 2015 9:47 am

What are his shell options? (species and sizes) He may really not like what is available.
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Re: No idea what I'm doing wrong... crab shelless again!!!

Post by grandlinegirl » Fri Feb 27, 2015 12:16 pm

Thank you. I will do that. Should I give him just caps of water? I've read that in other emergency posts. I'll put a towel over his Iso.


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Re: No idea what I'm doing wrong... crab shelless again!!!

Post by grandlinegirl » Fri Feb 27, 2015 12:17 pm

They're all turbos. That's all I have and all he's ever been in. Even when his owners before had him, he only wore turbos. I have a few different kinds so I'll put them in his Iso and see if he wants something different.


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Re: No idea what I'm doing wrong... crab shelless again!!!

Post by grandlinegirl » Fri Feb 27, 2015 12:17 pm

As for size, I gave him a bit of everything to choose from.

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Re: No idea what I'm doing wrong... crab shelless again!!!

Post by YYWW » Fri Feb 27, 2015 10:44 pm

Caps of water are good too. Whatever is easy for him to access. He needs to gain strength to fight for his life.


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Re: No idea what I'm doing wrong... crab shelless again!!!

Post by grandlinegirl » Sat Feb 28, 2015 11:34 am

Update: Crab is naked again.

I've been checking in on him quite regularly. I'll check him one time and he's wearing a shell, then I'll go back and he's naked again. Next time he's in a shell, then naked etc.

He has every shell I own of his size in his ISO and a few that are bigger. There's nothing else I can give him.

It's so frustrating that he just won't stay in a shell! :evil:

I'm starting to think you guys are right about him being special needs. It's almost like he doesn't want one, lol. Or he's rebelling against them.

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Post by wodesorel » Sat Feb 28, 2015 12:01 pm

Do you specifically have Striped (aka Mexican) Turbos, or Tapestry (petholatus) Turbos? Those two are hands down the most popular choices for PPs. The other species of turbos have the wrong shape or are too heavy. By the time a PP hits the 1 inch opening mark, they move into one of two and generally won't try on anything else ever again.
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Post by grandlinegirl » Sat Feb 28, 2015 12:07 pm

wodesorel wrote:Do you specifically have Striped (aka Mexican) Turbos, or Tapestry (petholatus) Turbos? Those two are hands down the most popular choices for PPs. The other species of turbos have the wrong shape or are too heavy. By the time a PP hits the 1 inch opening mark, they move into one of two and generally won't try on anything else ever again.
Yes to both! I have several of each of those types, in different sizes. He climbed into one of the Mexican ones last night and within an hour, was out of it. He's been in a tapestry one, briefly, but left that one, too. It's just weird.

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