When to interfere?

Where we discuss the behavior of our hermit crabs, as in fights, pecking orders, shell swaps, etc. Please post all naked-crab posts in the Emergency forum.
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When to interfere?

Post by Court » Sat Oct 01, 2011 10:45 pm

...or to even interfere at all? :dontknow:

Recently six new crabs have fallen in to my care and I am getting to experience aggression in a crabitat for the first time. I've gone through old threads on the forum to try to get a grasp on things, but I still have my concerns. I realize that -- like with any social system -- letting crabs establish their hierarchy is important, but how can I tell if it is time to step in? Or do I let everything pan out on its own? I am mainly just seeing what seems to be the beginning of a possible shell fight... or maybe its just typical dominance.
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Re: When to interfere?

Post by wodesorel » Sun Oct 02, 2011 1:04 am

Typical (and safe) dominance is mad feeler wars, pushing, chasing, and posturing.

Potentially deadly dominance is grabbing, riding, or pinching.

Yeah, in the wild hermit crabs will work things out for themselves. But they also have the option of running far away if they encounter a crab who is being very aggressive. In our tanks they are forced to share the same spaces for food and water, and are in close contact during down-times and molting. I think it's best that we step in and try to prevent injuries or worse from occurring when we see the warning signs.

With new crabs, it's very rarely true dominance. Rather it's more like survival strategy. They're starved, so they don't want to share or compete for resources. They're new and weak, so they're wary of strange crabs who may get the better of them. They don't have the best shells in the world, and their nature dictates that they do whatever they can to get a better shell that will protect them better. In the wild hermit crabs form chains of crabs that swap shells when one new shell becomes available - it takes new crabs a little while to realize that there are always new shells available in our tanks and they don't have to convince or bully another crab to switch with them.

All of those things can usually be overcome by a brief stay in isolation with lots of food and water, and new shells to move into. Once they get a full belly and a new home to carry around, they become much more relaxed and pleasant. I've noticed that just three days in heaven is enough to get most new crabs into the happy colony spirit. :)

Also, a bath before introductions will help smooth things over. Just the new crabs need to be bathed in fresh dechlor water - that seems to let them understand that the current crabs are the boss, and it masks the smell of the new crabs from your current crabs so they have no idea that there are new members that have joined the ranks.
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Re: When to interfere?

Post by Court » Sun Oct 02, 2011 8:41 am

Alright, thanks so much for the info. :) Crab behavior is still a new field to me, I appreciate you laying everything out.

The main instigator is an E (named Orpheus) I received from a lady rehoming a group of four. She took very good care of them for two years, but this E seems to have major shell-envy towards another E (named Dietrich) I bought about a month ago. Orpheus would go out of his way to grab ahold of Dietrich's shell and hang on, sometimes jolting her and holding on while she tried to get away. Things seem much more calm and quiet this morning, so maybe they have worked things out. At least I hope so!
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Re: When to interfere?

Post by tnt4eva » Sun Oct 02, 2011 9:58 am

Something I've learned with crabs is that they do know how hard they are pinching and if they are going to cause damage. Pushing, antenna wars and lunging can often happen without anything serious going on. It seems pretty natural while they're sorting out the pecking order. Shell grabbing somewhat worse. That only seems to happen when there is real aggression and potential for serious fighting. If that starts with new crabs, I keep a close eye on them. Often I find that if I move the aggressor to a different part of the tank, they will sulk and calm down for a bit (though that never works on my alpha crab - he harasses everyone new until they submit, but he never hurts anyone).

If they start actually pinching the other crabs, I start to consider temporary separation as they can injure each other when they pinch. I've only ever had the happen with shell fights though - suddenly everyone wanted one particular shell and there were fights. A few times I had to put crabs in isolation, then reintroduce them after a day or so, see how they went and if it stayed calm I let them stay in the main tank.

Bad conditions really take a toll on their behavior, so they can take a little while to settle down. It also takes a little while for the existing crabs to get use to the new comers too. An initial bath and plentiful shells and food, as well as lots of substrate and hiding spots can help.

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Re: When to interfere?

Post by Court » Sun Oct 02, 2011 3:36 pm

Thanks for the input Tash. I did take Orpheus and put him on the opposite side of the tank a few times when he was acting up... sometimes he went straight back to Dietrich, sometimes he didn't. So far I haven't actually seen any pinching other than on the shells, so I reckon thats good... or at least better than what it could be. :)
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