Our Cavipes are actually Violas

HERMEZ · Post by **HERMEZ** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 8:19 am

Where are the violascens originating from?

BAB · Post by **BAB** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 3:18 pm

Herm-EZ wrote:Where are the violascens originating from?

Japan area? Hawaii some??? I'm pretty sure they are from the area in the Pacific, but cannot remember if they are predominately North or South.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 9:35 pm

Not Hawaii, no land Hermits there, and I think Japan is too cold, but I think they are sold there.

Our member Mokulele_Hawai'i lives in Indonesia and has "violas".

Hmm, I have a "cav". Only the tips of her feelers are red, and her eyestalks are a deep brick color. So now I'm curious.

Thanks, JMT, for keeping us on our toes! Let's find some more info!

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 10:13 pm

Indo-pacific is what I came up with in my research.

I thought this was intersting to anyone wanting to learn to ID by the claws, and it mentions the viola.

http://www.crabstreetjournal.com/species/comparison.htm

And if I'm reading this correctly it appears that Indos, Violas, Rugs and Cavis all come from this area also:

http://www.sizenken.biodic.go.jp/pc/wet_en/497/497.html

BAB · Post by **BAB** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 8:05 am

crabber wrote:Indo-pacific is what I came up with in my research.

And if I'm reading this correctly it appears that Indos, Violas, Rugs and Cavis all come from this area also:

http://www.sizenken.biodic.go.jp/pc/wet_en/497/497.html

Thank you for clearing up my attempt at listing a location. HAHA I can never think of those things like Indo Pacfic, West Indies, etc. I'm still trying to figure it all out.

The link above is Japan area, right?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 5:22 pm

Yup, it was Japan. I was really having trouble finding anything else on species or IDing the Cav and Violas.

Post by **JediMasterThrash** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 7:09 pm

Crabber, I might have mixed up my terminology before, but you have to look at the antennules (the smaller feelers) to look for the red. In violascens, it's a rather striking red. Rugosus and true cavipes might get reddish-colored antennae, but it's just pigment matching their body color, and isn't so deep.

Cavs, indos, and rugs can have very bright orange bases to their larger antennae.

I definitely think Gorthaur has a true cavipes there. As I suggested, I figured if we found one, we'd think it looked like a brown indo.

Assuming we consensus that this new identification is correct, we'd need to have the ID documents updated. And also, anyone who has websites that people might use for IDing would need to update as well. We don't want to confuse people even more by having too much conflicting info on the web.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 7:43 pm

Thanks for that clarification.

I've been studying this info since it was posted, and looking at a lot of pics. It would seem to me then that the majority of our Cavis are actually violas. What does anyone else think?

What's the feedback on other boards?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 7:47 pm

crabber wrote: I hope we aren't getting C.violascens, aren't they endangered?

If we are, maybe they're not endangered.

Not Hawaii, no land Hermits there, and I think Japan is too cold, but I think they are sold there.

I saw some pictures of land hermits that did live in Hawaii on google I think. Also, don;t blueberries (C. Purpeyus) live in Japan?

BAB · Post by **BAB** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:14 pm

Are Cavie's still considered more hairy then other species as well as lazy?

Could those be some indications of a species well enough for identfication? I know freshly molted crabbies are hairy... but nothing like a Cavipe.

I too think the antennae identification is key to breaking the species apart. There is a difference between them.

What a great find!!! It's exciting to be a small part of something like this and watch it unfold.

HERMEZ · Post by **HERMEZ** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 10:03 pm

well I think mine are Violas but I am not 100% sure on Grubber if anyone wants to look at him in my gallery--he did come with Kahuna who is identical to the violas.......I love them all............

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 10:49 pm

I'm tempted to say it's a real cavi. The antenna base looks very thick to me, if you compare it to Big K's, the anttenna's are more orangy than red. Hmmm.....I don't know......

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 11:11 pm

JediMasterThrash wrote:Assuming we consensus that this new identification is correct, we'd need to have the ID documents updated. And also, anyone who has websites that people might use for IDing would need to update as well. We don't want to confuse people even more by having too much conflicting info on the web.

I think it's a bit early to assume we have a consensus. I am really hoping our Jarkarta connection will chime in . . . I sent him a message.

JMT, have you looked at Mokulele Hawai'i's photos in the Image Gallery?

Edit: Now I don't see them in there, but I know he posts in the Pictures forum. His friend Ka_Unauna_Nani's album is still in the gallery.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 11:19 pm

crabber wrote:Indo-pacific is what I came up with in my research.

I thought this was intersting to anyone wanting to learn to ID by the claws, and it mentions the viola.

http://www.crabstreetjournal.com/species/comparison.htm

By that illustration I have three Violas because the shape of the bp matches identically, expecially the flat edge.

Awesome sluething!

Christa · Post by **Christa** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 8:25 am

JediMasterThrash wrote:And also, anyone who has websites that people might use for IDing would need to update as well. We don't want to confuse people even more by having too much conflicting info on the web.

Thanks for the research and for letting us know, JMT.

Once I have a 'net connection at home again, I'll update my site. Unfortunately at work I'm behind a firewall so can't update it...

hc!
Christa