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i need tips on SHIPPING CRABS!

Post by Guest » Sun Aug 24, 2003 4:10 am

apparently, one of the members on this forum that lives very far away from me very eagerly wants to get a pair of strawberries and Africans...

and since i'm such a nice guy, i think i can give it a try, but i've NEVER shipped any package in my life b4, much less live crabs... and i don't want to hurt these little guys or stress em out!... i hate to see any living animal suffering (unless it's like a roach or some kind of pest) :D

any tips or VERY detailed instructions :wink: would be greatly appreciated!

Tom


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Post by Guest » Sun Aug 24, 2003 9:17 am

www.fedex.com
FedEx Express Terms and Conditions

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Terms and Conditions-------------------SHIPPING Non-Waiver Inspection of Shipments Service Areas Packaging & Marking Dimensional WeightPICKUP AND DELIVERY Cartage Agent Package Consolidators Pickup & Delivery Proof of Delivery Rejection of Shipments Routing and Rerouting Signature ReleasesALLOWED SHIPMENTS Dangerous Goods Extra-Large Packages Perishables Prohibited items Undeliverable Shipments Firearms Live Animals Ornamental Marine Life Alcoholic Beverages Pharmaceuticals Plants and Plant Material Tobacco ProductsACCOUNT AND BILLING Account Numbers Billing Collect on Delivery (C.O.D) Credit TermsRATES Fuel Surcharge Rate QuotationsGUARANTEES/WARRANTIES Claims Money-Back Guarantee Policy Declared Value & Limits of Liability Liabilities not Assumed Limitations on Legal Actions & Arbitration of Certain Claims WarrantiesDefinitions
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Live Animals
FedEx does not accept live animal shipments as part of its regularly scheduled service. Live animals will be accepted when the shipment is coordinated and approved by the FedEx Live Animal Desk. Acceptable shipments include, but are not limited to, zoo animals (to and from zoo locations only) and horses (from gateway to gateway locations only). Household pets, such as domestic cats and dogs, are not accepted. For more information, please contact the FedEx Live Animal Desk at 800.405.9052.


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Post by Guest » Sun Aug 24, 2003 2:47 pm

if you actually care about the crabs, you wont ship them. shipping them is extremely stressful, and 9 times out of 10, it will kill them. if not *during* shipping, then very soon after.

if the person wants these crabs, they should look for them on their own. its irresponsible and greedy to want to put the poor crabs through the stress of shipping just because someone wants a certain kind.

you may want a certain kind of crab, but is it really worth it when you know the crab will more than likely die because of being shipped?


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Post by Guest » Sun Aug 24, 2003 9:17 pm

here's a tip-- go to the LHC forum--you people should read it.. we ship crabs all the time. The most important to ship them is overnight--that is the ONLY way to ship them. Overnight costs around $20, maybe less. You ship them in a sealed cup with little air holes, with moistened(nearly wet) substrate a little food with the bubble packaging around the cup securely fitting it in the box. OVERNIGHT shipping ONLY.

It can be done, it is done and as long as it is done properly ( read OVERNIGHT) there is nothing wrong with it, so give the guy a break.

Supertom, go to LHC and ask there, you WILL get the answer, the proper way to ship them. It is perfectly fine, so long as this person is willing to shell out the money for overnight shipping.

http://www.landhermitcrabs.com/

toni


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Post by Guest » Sun Aug 24, 2003 11:00 pm

Please don't talk about FMR properly shipping crabs. The petstore where I often visit (I am good friends with the managers/owners) received a shipment of hermit crabs the day I was there.

50 hermit crabs in a burlap bag, placed in a box smaller than a shoebox. All different sizes. They lost five in shipping, and lost 15 the next day. And I looked at the box they came in. Shipped from Florida Marine Research.


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Post by Guest » Mon Aug 25, 2003 6:14 am

well of course when you send large amounts, in any size container, some will end up dead. not because theyre in large amounts, but because there are more chances for stress deaths than if you shipped one or two.


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Post by Guest » Mon Aug 25, 2003 10:26 pm

That sounds really good to ship them in separate cups so they can't roll around and to put that into additional filling material. With overnight shipping they would be in a box for a few hours only. Sounds like less stress than mine had when I bought them in a privat petstore where they gave them to me in a plastic fast food container and I had to drive them home like that. I took every curve extra carefully and talked to them the entire way :? .

By the way, to everybody who is stressing out so much about shipping the crabs: how do you suppose your hermit crabs got into your local petstore? And are you not buying crabs anymore now that you know they where shipped there? At least some people are trying to find a humane way here and that's what this forum is for, right? - to help people finding better ways with their crabs :!:

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Post by Christa » Tue Aug 26, 2003 9:40 am

Here is a re-post from LHC, with some other info added in:

Hello there,

I've received a few requests for instructions on how to ship land hermies. So here is how I do it. I used to ship them via Post Office express mail, but they do not always guarantee next-day delivery. So I ship via Fedex. Or I used to, when I still shipped crabbies, I am not selling them or shipping them.

HOW TO SHIP LAND HERMIT CRABS SO THEY "ARRIVE ALIVE"

Take a box about large enough to fit all the crabs and punch two holes in it. Write the word "FRAGILE" all over the box. Line the inside with bubble-wrap or some other waterproof material. Put the waterproof material loosely in the box so some air gets through to the crabs.

Take each crab and wrap it in some sort of cloth. You'll want to use something that hasn't been bleached, of course. I use cheesecloth because it is absorbent. You can buy cheesecloth at the grocery store in the area where they sell rubber gloves, vacuum bags and canning supplies. Make a little circle of material and put the crab on it, and gather the material at the top and make a little bundle. Put a twistie-tie around the top so he can't escape. Take the crab in his little bundle and submerge him in some lukewarm dechlorinated water. Then place him in the box with a lot of shredded paper or some other sound-insulating but air-holding material. Do NOT use newspaper, because the newsprint fumes will kill the crab. Place a damp (nearly sopping but not quite) sponge next to him in the space and a damp paper towel over him. Cover everything with more shredded paper.

One word of caution: do *not* tell Fedex what is in the box. If the crab is properly wrapped, he won't make any noise and he will be snug and secure and won't suffer any needless stress. If they find out you are shipping a live animal they will get all excited and will refuse to mail him. DON'T let them open the box. If they get suspicious of you, take the box and leave. Try another Fedex office. You don't want them to take the box if they are suspicious of you, or they might open it and you don't know what they'll do with the crab. Keep a low profile at all times. If you have to ship at the post office, be especially calm and routine. If you are nervous or excited the postal employees will be curious about you and you do not want to raise any alarms.

It is not against the law to ship hermit crabs via the mail. However the regulations permitting it are newer (2001) and not very well known. I tried telling the post office that I was shipping hermit crabs and first they wanted me to explain what a hermit crab was. Then they told me that a crab should be packed in ice so it would not spoil (like I'm going to eat them, LOL). Then they hauled out their foot-thick regulation book, which did not have the update in it. Then they yelled at me for trying to ship something illegally (which I was not). Oh and also they called their manager and everything, and I ended up wasting two hours there. Do yourself a favor and don't try to explain anything to anyone. Just mail the box and leave. If you are sure it will be warm enough for the crabs (60 degrees and up) and they are securely wrapped, you're good to go.

Also one word of caution, do NOT sign for the box to be left without a signature.

hc!
Christa
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crabmom
Re: How to ship hermit crabs [re: christa]

Do you happen to know where we could find those "regulations?" Thanks.

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christa
Re: How to ship hermit crabs [re: crabmom]

Sure, here you go:

Pub. 52, Hazardous, Restricted, and Perishable Mail

526.6 Small, Harmless, Cold-Blooded Animals
Small, harmless, cold-blooded animals, except for snakes, turtles, and turtle eggs, are mailable only when they meet certain requirements.
For some examples, see Exhibit 526.6.
Exhibit 526.6
Requirements for Mailing Small, Harmless, Cold-Blooded Animals (Except Snakes, Turtles, and Turtle Eggs)

General Requirements:
All animals in this group:
* Must be able to reach their destination in good condition in the normal transit time between the mailing and address points.
* Must not require any food, water, or attention during transport.
* Must not create sanitary problems.

Go to the post office's web site
http://www.usps.com/cpim/ftp/pubs/pub52.htmand do a CNTRL-F search for cold-blooded and you'll come up with a list. As you can see, hermies are neither specifically included nor excluded, it is at the individual post office's discretion.

hc!
Christa
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muddygrl
Re: How to ship hermit crabs [re: christa]

Since I have been shipping crabs out to you all for a while now, (e's ) I will add my little bit on how I have been shipping. I always use USPS because they are cheaper than anywhere else to ship overnight, and I have also looked up their regulations and know for sure its legal to ship crabs with them. Like Christa said, NEVER EVER tell them you are shipping crabs. I have not once told anyone at the postal and no one has given me any trouble. I act like its routine and just matter of factly go about my business whenever I go in. Another thing that I try to do is since there are several different postal locations in my area I try to vary which ones I go to if I have several boxes within the same week to ship out overnight. I don't want any postal location to get too suspicious and start asking nosy questions. I may send out 1 or 2 boxes at one place, then 2 days later or a week later ship some boxes at another location. There is one location where a couple of particularly nosy guys work, and have asked me what I am shipping. I never tell them what is really in the box. I have lied and told them that they were sea shells. (that warrants some truth in the fact they are fragile and the crabs are in sea shells, I just don't tell them whats LIVING in those shells lol)

One guy was particularly nosy and asked why in the world anyone in Washington would want sea shells shipped to them overnight when they could just go to the beach and pick some up. I told him, that I didn't know, but they were specially cleaned sea shells and the customers wanted express so thats what they got. (leaving him to think that I let my customers decide how they want things shipped. ) That is the worst questioning I have had, and I try not to frequent that location as much.

As far as packing goes, I use a cool whip dish, poke lots of holes in the lid and sides of the dish, and fill it half way with shredded white paper, then I put some shredded dampened paper towels (white also) on top of the layer of paper, then I place the crabs on the wet towels. I put more wet towel on top of them. Then I fill the rest of the dish with more shredded plain paper and put the lid on. I don't wrap each crab but let them crawl through the shredded paper, in the enclosed container with damp towels, and holes for air. I also mist the them and the shredded paper a bit. They crawl through as if its sand or wet leaves and usually huddle together if I am shipping more than one. Then I put this container in a bigger box of shredded paper, making sure the shredded paper is all around the plastic container for support. I do this double packing thing because they won't jostle as much and I don't wrap each individual crab in cloth. So far, ALL the crabs I have shipped have arrived alive, happy and healthy. The first time I shipped, I did not use this method and only put them in a small box with shredded paper but no container and by the time I got to the PO, they had made their way out of the middle of the shredded paper and I could hear them walking around on the cardboard box inside, then they started chirping... I got really worried. They did arrive fine too, but after that I started putting them in a container with wet towels, and shredded paper, then packing the container in a box with more shredded paper. This way, no one can hear them walking, chirping or making any sort of noise, plus there is more cushion and less jostling. Also I just about always give my crabs a bath before shipping, this way they have more moisture in their shells, as drying out is a big concern. It is usually warm while being shipped but you don't want them getting dried up. That's my shipping method of anyone is interested.


OH, I forgot to mention, Yes, i have used UPS a couple of times and all went well. The only time I use UPS if the postal service won't/cant deliver to an area overnight. There were a few places they wouldn't, they would still ship express but they said it would take 2 days instead of overnight. I can't understand that really because if UPS can they the post office should be able to also. I think New Jersey and one other area had that problem. When that happens I go with UPS , it costs more about 26-28$ but it does get there. I always worry that they toss and throw their boxes because I have shipped with UPS a couple of times and had things broken even though packed exactly the way they told me. So I worry more with them than with the postal.
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Re: How to ship hermit crabs [re: muddygrl]

My hubby works for UPS. You have no idea what a package goes through. They might do a little better if marked live animal, but they might
not.
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Post by Guest » Fri Dec 31, 2004 6:39 pm

I really think that shipping crabs it still a bad idea. It's better just to give them to someone who lives within... I don't know, a 10-mile radius. That way, if necessary, someone can drive to pick them up. It's much less stressful on the crabs. To ship cross-country is just too much of a hassle, and it costs a lot when they have to be there ASAP.


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Shipping into a country probably illegal

Post by Guest » Mon Jan 03, 2005 8:38 am

Please consider that shipping any plant or animal into a country is probably illegal. Because people sometimes just let their pets to into the wild. See the cases for zebra mussels, longhorn beetle, purple loosestrife, snakehead fish, grass carp, mediterranean fruitfly, eurasian milfoil, and others. These all got into the ecosystem by accident and are now major problems in some areas. That's why at the customs desk they ask you to declare any plant or animal products, including fruits and vegetables. Fruits and veggies can harbor insects or diseases that you can't see.

Now in Michigan the emerald ash borer is such a problem in the Detroit tri county area you cannot bring firewood from there to up north when you go camping, since it will spread the beetle.

I realize it is highly unlikely a tropical creature like the hermit crab will establish itself in a northern US zone that freezes, but look at the "tropical" parakeets in New York state. They have now established wild colonies and are thriving. (Note: parakeets are not native to the US.)

Just consider, there's a reason why you should not ship anything into a country, especially into the US. I'm not saying don't do it, but consider which country you are shipping to and to whom you are shipping.

Here are some resources for invasive species:

http://tncweeds.ucdavis.edu/animalpath.html
http://www.invasivespecies.gov/geog/main.shtml
http://www.seagrant.umn.edu/exotics/


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Post by Guest » Mon Jan 03, 2005 11:50 am

chuckr30, we're talking about shipping crabs within the US though, unless I missed something... I wouldn't strongly disagree to shipping crabs abroad, simply for the fact if they catch them they WILL be distroyed... and we don't want that :shock:

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