To Understand Why There Is No Right Or Wrong To Crab Care

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To Understand Why There Is No Right Or Wrong To Crab Care

Post by JediMasterThrash » Mon Nov 30, 2015 10:59 pm

As we combine two groups of caring, loving, successful Hermit Crab wranglers, I'm sure there will be some differences of opinion on what constitutes the newest and shiniest in Coenobitidae Care. I want to remind everyone that there is not an LHC way or an HCA way. Or even a right way or a wrong way.

Here is an old post of mine called "To Understand Why There Is No Right Or Wrong To Crab Care"

I originally posted to both forums
From the HCA Archives:
http://www.hermitcrabassociation.com/ph ... 37&t=57785

And from the LHC Archives:
http://www.hermitcrabassociation.com/ph ... 0&t=106449

I would also like to point out rule 7.3.1.1.3
7.3.1.1.3 Implying or stating that another member cares less about their crabs due to their choice of care methods.
http://hermitcrabassociation.com/pages/HCARules.htm

The point of this is to just remind everyone that we encourage a variety of care methods and sharing a variety of experiences. We pride ourselves on having a forum that is accepting of varied care methods, and does not require adherence to a single way.
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Re: To Understand Why There Is No Right Or Wrong To Crab Car

Post by Laurie LeAnn » Tue Dec 01, 2015 1:07 am

I have always said.. what works for one crabber May not work for another crabber..
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Post by CallaLily » Tue Dec 01, 2015 7:35 am

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( totally not the right clapping smilie I wanted but it'll do I guess. :lol: )

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Post by Crabinski » Tue Dec 01, 2015 11:29 am

Thank you, JMT, for the re-post. Although everyone means well, a thoughtful reminder to "cool your jets" is appreciated.
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Post by rainbow_crab » Wed Dec 02, 2015 10:15 pm

Agreed and thank you.


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Post by Sweet Pea » Thu Dec 03, 2015 3:06 pm

Lovely and bravo!

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Post by landlubber » Thu Dec 03, 2015 4:14 pm

Thanks for the reminder-I think it's a good thing to keep in mind.

Regarding studies on LHCs, I think this is a very interesting subject, because there is so little we really do know for sure. I think as pet-owners as well as hobbyists we are interested very different things than those who are doing empirical studies and experiments in the lab and the field like biologists and ecologists are interested in.

I am finishing my degree in a scientific field (it's a "soft" science compared to those I've mentioned, but still) and I have come to appreciate the rigors of research to make informed choices (with critical thinking, of course). I went from hating reading studies, to loving it and always want to know the study methodology and limitations, if its measurements have validity, and if it has been repeated with similar results. Not a heck a lot out there on land hermit crabs, really.

I have always kept careful data about my crabs, purchase date, shell preferences, molting patterns, and so on, but never set up any experiment to correlate any of the data, because I don't want any manipulation of independent variables to harm my crabs. But to be perfectly honest-I have not put a lot of thought into creating such an experiment (I like critiquing other people's research, not especially designing it). But I guess my point is it is difficult to find cause and effect w/o potentially harming a pet, and so less true experimentation can be done. But, of course there is a lot we pet owners can do to add OUR knowledge base.

My question is (Finally, right :wink: ) Is this data we are collecting as pet owners, for those who do studies, or trials, stored and collected somewhere? It would be cool to look at people's designs and methodologies to either duplicate them and add validity, or try to address limitation in the study and re-design them, or even look for patterns among different people's data. I know this might sound totally snooze to most people, but to a nerd like me I would love it.
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Post by rainbow_crab » Sun Feb 14, 2016 11:36 pm

Bumping this thread just as a reminder to old members and to inform new ones :D

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Post by kornchaser » Mon Feb 15, 2016 2:23 am

@landlubber I can only imagine your excitement about member's breeding threads and their success at it!!
@JMT I agree there is no 'right' or 'wrong' way at doing your best at anything tbh :)


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Post by Pinchersparadise » Mon Feb 15, 2016 12:41 pm

I think this is all very interesting, since from what I read/was told, was how my crabs had to be taken care of. Molting in the tank, no baths, heat & humidity have to be constant. I do love my set up though, and I don't think I would be careful enough to watch for pre-molt signs. Although, I never questioned it, I just spent the 500$ and went with it.

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Post by wodesorel » Mon Feb 15, 2016 4:28 pm

There are basics that they need in order to survive, and a lot that we've learned that will allow for better success and longer life. I know I'm in the minority here, but there is definitely a wrong way to care for a crab. However, there many many right ways to get them set up properly so they have the best chance at survival - and it shouldn't take $500 to do it!
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Post by DragonsFly » Mon Feb 15, 2016 5:56 pm

I agree with wodesorel; after reading the thread I understand the point it was trying to make, but I found the subject line alarming. There definitely are wrongs. There may be multiple "rights" that work for different crabs in different situations, so you could say there isn't just one lock-step "right" method for crab-keeping, but there are definite "wrongs," oh boy, yes.
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Post by rainbow_crab » Mon Feb 15, 2016 8:10 pm

I think the thread is kinda more for how we as crab keepers respond to one another. Being respectful and not degrading others for how they keep there crabs. That's more important in the sense of people coming here for help and knowledge. if I ask a question about something and I get a rude response or told I'm doing everything wrong it's doesn't really help me learn as more as it would shut me off from the site. If someone points out " hey I noticed this" or " what I would do" it's better then someone saying " your not doing this right, and that's why your having so much trouble crabbing". I don't disagree that there are wrong ways to keep them, but I think the thread is to represent being respectful, and learning others techniques not just going by what you have learned. There's a lot of experienced crabbers and not a single one of them do everything the same way. For instance substrate, My substrate isn't the common ratio of sand to coco fiber mix but I have had absolutely no issues with the way I keep my substrate. It has worked for me and my crabs. Some people use all sand, or all coco fiber. I wouldn't tell them they are wrong for using it. If it works for them and there crabs then it's not an issue. That's why I bumped the thread. I have witnessed members not being as respectful or as accepting to others and there way of crabbing.

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Post by DragonsFly » Mon Feb 15, 2016 8:35 pm

Yes, like I said, after reading it I see the point it was trying to make, and I agree with you it is important; still if somebody didn't take the time to read the thread, the subject line does imply that--no, actually, it states that--there is "no right or wrong," when in fact there not only are wrong things you can do, but a lot of new crabbers have actually been told to do things that actually are wrong--in the sense of likely or certain to harm the crabs. It's always good to remind people to be civil and as constructive as possible (we all need reminders regularly, especially online), but giving people the idea that there's "no wrong way" to care for crabs is not helpful, either.
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Re: To Understand Why There Is No Right Or Wrong To Crab Car

Post by JediMasterThrash » Sun Feb 21, 2016 12:07 pm

Well, maybe "To Understand Why There Is No Single Right Way to Crab Care" would be a more accurate title. Picking nits aside, I think everyone understood the point :)
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