How long is thier memory?

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It is interesting what people associate with science these days....

Thisgs such as NDE, past lives, etc...in all truth, are not science. It is not that science will not admit to their existance, in fact, there are many people investigating the cause of these phenomenon. But they are not being treated as something that is as it seems, for science, these things do not exist as something found in true science, simply because you cannot empiracally study them. So it is placed in the realm of psuedoscience, odd things that happen yet to be explained scientifically or empirically.

my 2 cents:

Past lives are most commonly seen under hypnosis. Hypnosis is not something that brings one in touch with their subconcious, instead, it is just a highly suggestible state. Things also known about in this area are "recovered memories," which have actually been shown to be implanted memories, something suggested to the individual by either the therapist or the hypotherapist.

As for NDE, it is somethign that happens when the body goes into a particular state of shock, trauma, etc.... Several scientists in canada have been able to reproduce similar "hallucinations" by placing a large electromagnet near the temporal lobes.

I dont mind if people believe in things like this, what bothers me is when they are called science, when in fact they are matters of faith.

It is difficult for me to take your somewhat interesting words seriously, considering your avatar. That said, it is very easy to call something a matter of faith when you have not experienced it. For instance, the world was once considered flat and those that thought otherwise were considered foolish. The Apollo astronauts testify to a feeling of spiritual awe and, heaven forbid, an all encompassing non-physical intelligence while in space. As for the NDE, you are unfortunately uninformed. Many documented cases reveal out of body experiences while the NDEer is physically deceased...where events are described by the NDEer that took place while they were considered dead. Faith? Not science...why not? As well, past lives have been studied and not all reveal themselves in the dream state (nice try though). You seem to have little depth in the subject of hypnosis (study some more between the beers).

Do you, in choosing your avatars, truly believe science holds all the answers? Are pharmacutical companies ethical? Is the planet healthy? Have you looked up in the skys lately? Science has much to offer, but science is also revealing the niavete of itself and the attachment we have to profit and loss (the stuff science is funded upon).

One more thing...the subjects taken seriously by "science" are ever-changing.

Have a nice day! Cheers!

John

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I have a thread of good humor in me, thank you for the personnal attack, I had avoided such flaming, but im glad that you felt it necessary make a personal attack on both my choice in avatar, and evidently, the assumption that I am an avid drinker. Interesting assumptions you assert. How does science have to do anything with my avatar? Is my avatar supposed to reflect my opinions in science? I thought it was just something for fun. It was a picture taken on a road trip, I thoght it was fun, there is no deep meaning to it.

As for science vs faith, yes, science is an ever evolving thing, but matters can only truly be considered science when they are both observable, and repeateable, in essence, one must be able to empirically test the subject matter. Until then, everything else is hypothesis.

Although one may experiance something, that does not mean that the reason one gives the that experiance is the right one. For a long time, people believed that illness was caused by some supernatural force, until the discovery of microbiology. The beliefe that there are some higher powers is considered faith based, again, as one cannot observe it.

As for NDE, I beleive that what is experianced is something that occurs when the brain is shutting down. Although many people have experianced this, it is not something that can be either observable, nor testable. What we can test, is brain activity during these moments, but to attempt to force an NDE on someone is ethically wrong, as is making assumptions about something that we cannot copmletely study. In the mean time, science will create hypothesis as to the cause of such phenomena. Any supernatural attribution of such things is considered faith, as one cannot empirically study them.

To be honest, my knowlege of hypnosis is mainly that of the early training freud recieved, some of what mesmer did, and that that I have learned in my cognitive psychology class. Yes, sometimes people completely repress some horrific event, in psychology, there are some exceptions to what is known as theory in the science.

I never stated that I was a completely knowleged in the material at hand, it is not my focus of study, but I felt that I could offer my two cents. I spoke from what I know, and I apologize if you took this to be a personal attack, it was not meant to be.

As for your last paragraph, I dont see what you are getting at, they are not fully relavent to the topic at hand. The ethics of pharmeceutical companies and drug manufacturing has little to do with the effects that they have on biology.

There is a good stack of literature showing evidence for false memories. To me, this provides ample explanation for things such as past lives.

Again, I saw no need for personal attacks, and I didnt mean for this to become one.

p.s. I am not one for drinking, the occasional beer at dinner isnt bad, but there is no need to excessively drink a poison that attacks the cell bodies of your brain.

[Guest]

It is interesting what people associate with science these days....

Thisgs such as NDE, past lives, etc...in all truth, are not science. It is not that science will not admit to their existance, in fact, there are many people investigating the cause of these phenomenon. But they are not being treated as something that is as it seems, for science, these things do not exist as something found in true science, simply because you cannot empiracally study them. So it is placed in the realm of psuedoscience, odd things that happen yet to be explained scientifically or empirically.

my 2 cents:

Past lives are most commonly seen under hypnosis. Hypnosis is not something that brings one in touch with their subconcious, instead, it is just a highly suggestible state. Things also known about in this area are "recovered memories," which have actually been shown to be implanted memories, something suggested to the individual by either the therapist or the hypotherapist.

As for NDE, it is somethign that happens when the body goes into a particular state of shock, trauma, etc.... Several scientists in canada have been able to reproduce similar "hallucinations" by placing a large electromagnet near the temporal lobes.

I dont mind if people believe in things like this, what bothers me is when they are called science, when in fact they are matters of faith.

I apologize for criticizing your revealing avatar. You are too wise for me.

Peace. I'm done.

John