ELHC Brevimanus Rosseus

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Post by kgbenson » Sun Aug 22, 2010 4:27 pm

suebee wrote:I wish the photos would show the hot pink.. Its not a pink that has any hues of blue therefore no purple.
I know what you mean - mine always come out muted and muddy, not at all like they look in person. I have tried a number of different settings on my camera and cannot seem to get it to look quite right.
I do not have access to Bobs paperwork however there is registration of enough differences in DNA to be a different Species and not just a hybrid or cross breed.
I know, only Bob does, but that isn't exactly the point, there are some accepted thresholds that could easily establish that the animals represent different species. Heck, if they have different chromosome counts that would work. The point is though that in some cases even small changes can represent speciation and it is not just DNA work, in some instances you have to define your terms and include location data, genetics, behavior etc. The definition of species is not cut and dry by any means.
No one has to believe it. For now it can just not exist in the minds of those who do not believe it until the paperwork is published. I don't mind at all.
That is very true, I have not seen it either but by virtue of the animals I have I tend to agree. That said the differences are not so stark that some molecular evidence wouldn't be helpful. Bob is not given to announcing where his animals are from - something I understand for several reasons. So apart from morphology, some molecular work would be the next logical bit of evidence. Fact is, unless the data is published, few will accept that this is a new species, virtually none of the taxonomists will, and that is OK. Thing is though we can simply expect the lack of available data will keep coming up whenever the claim is made.
I wonder in a year how many of the pink indos that are stated to be only different by color variation will still be pink? I don't think LCH has answered that question.
I don't think they have had these animals long enough - and for what it is worth, they are not selling them with any guarantees to that effect so I would assume that a buyer would have to expect them to change color if certain dietary components are not provided, just like any other brightly colored LHC. It seems as if they are being pretty careful to make sure no one is confusing the animals they are offering and the one's bob is offering.
I dont believe that they know the answer. I guess only Time will tell in all areas. Ill try to get some more photos. I have to find someone who is better at taking the photos then i am.
If you identify the trick to capturing the color - please let me know, I would love to do so as well.

I really do like my pink indos from Bob, they do seem to behave differently and are stunning in person. Some folks who see them have accused them of being a prop, they are that colorful . . . until they move that is.

Keith


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Post by iwhlvr » Sun Aug 22, 2010 6:14 pm

Hey Keith,
Can I make a suggestion on the pictures -- not sure if it will work or if you've already tried it but it has worked well with my crabs and flowers . . . I'm a pretend photographer wanna be :D

I don't know what kind of camera you have but my DSLR does much better than my digital camera. Try using natural light and no flash -- like outside on day with just a slight cloud cover, not too heavy and not glaring bright, so you have natural diffused light. If you do want to try a flash use indirect lighting (bounce it off a wall).

My other idea is to put something white and something colored in the picture (like a scrap of paper). Then you can use photo editing to auto color correct (most programs fix based on finding what is supposed to be white in the frame & adjusting colors based on what it took to make the white be white) and you can then check it yourself using the colored piece (keeping in mind that your monitor color settings might be different than mine).

OR . . . you could send it to Dayton and I can try the above :hlol:
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Post by suebee » Sun Aug 22, 2010 6:35 pm

Cari, ive seen some of your photos and they are very good.
As far as Bob putting out his research to this or any group, Its much more important right now that he continues his research. He is doing his documentation for the places most important and anyone who doesnt believe it doesnt have to buy the crabs. I feel honored to own any crabs from this researcher. We have to remember he is first a researcher, he doesnt have to sell crabs. So many people wanted some of his crabs that he became a person who sold them. Those that do own some have been very lucky to get them. I know that in the future there will be lots of info published. Even more if he doent take out time to please little people like us regarding Prof of anything. So for now.. we laugh and say, my Brevimanus rosseus do not exist. My Coenobita Bruneus and my cross between a Coenobita Bruneus with a Coenobita purpureus well, they too do not exist. :D
I buy from ELHC or HCP, I CANNOT RECEIVE PM MESSAGES SO EMAIL ME,anytime! suebeebuzz@me.com visit my Hermit Crab Dollar Store. Crabbing from aprox 1974- I own 12 Species,On Face Book-Susan Staff's Coenobita Research of New Jersey

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Post by sugarselections » Mon Aug 23, 2010 2:34 pm

Personally, I own a supposed coenobita brevimanus rosseus from ELHC and I do not believe her to be a new species, just a color variation. I have compared her to my regular Indos and see no morphological difference except for color. I look forward to seeing the evidence published on this topic.


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Post by Crab Addict » Mon Aug 23, 2010 6:47 pm

cross between a Coenobita Bruneus with a Coenobita purpureus
Oh, please post pics!!

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Post by suebee » Mon Aug 23, 2010 7:58 pm

Id love to! This is Count Brunberry. He is the most sweet crab ever. Bright green with blue on some legs. He is not symmetric in his coloring like most crabs, one leg is more blue than all the others.
He is wonderful and i would love to have a whole tank of him. He hangs out with the brunies right now. Ive never met a more friendly crab. Thanks for asking to see him.
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He has the most amazing eyes, a cream colored band goes across the top of them. sorry im not a good photographer.
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Post by CrabbyMom33 » Mon Aug 23, 2010 8:52 pm

Count Brunberry is beautiful! Love the coloring.
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Post by Spiral » Tue Aug 24, 2010 5:39 am

suebee wrote:Id love to! This is Count Brunberry. He is the most sweet crab ever. Bright green with blue on some legs. He is not symmetric in his coloring like most crabs, one leg is more blue than all the others.
He is wonderful and i would love to have a whole tank of him. He hangs out with the brunies right now. Ive never met a more friendly crab. Thanks for asking to see him.
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He has the most amazing eyes, a cream colored band goes across the top of them. sorry im not a good photographer.
Hey suebee, what's the colour of his inner antennae?
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Post by Xyloart » Tue Aug 24, 2010 6:08 am

His name is so funny! And the green color... :shock:
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Post by kgbenson » Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:30 am

iwhlvr wrote: I don't know what kind of camera you have but my DSLR does much better than my digital camera.
I have a Nikon D80 and a point and shoot, so far I can't get the shot I want with either.
Try using natural light and no flash -- like outside on day with just a slight cloud cover, not too heavy and not glaring bright, so you have natural diffused light. If you do want to try a flash use indirect lighting (bounce it off a wall).
I have been doing the bounce thing (It is the only way to go) but something is still not right. I should have thought about the natural sunlight - lord knows we have enough sunshine in SC!

If I get a good pic I will post it - thanks for the hints.
My other idea is to put something white and something colored in the picture (like a scrap of paper). Then you can use photo editing to auto color correct (most programs fix based on finding what is supposed to be white in the frame & adjusting colors based on what it took to make the white be white) and you can then check it yourself using the colored piece (keeping in mind that your monitor color settings might be different than mine).
Hmmmm - I will try that too.
OR . . . you could send it to Dayton and I can try the above :hlol:
LOL - my daughter would be most unhappy were I to send off her favorite crabs.

Keith
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Post by suebee » Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:33 am

Sugar I do not post in your threads because i dont want the drama. Id love it if you could possible control the urge to do the same with my posts. I think its best to keep the threads drama free. I understand that you have different ways and are not happy with ELHC. I respect that you chose to believe your ways are the best, however many of us here feel differently.
I buy from ELHC or HCP, I CANNOT RECEIVE PM MESSAGES SO EMAIL ME,anytime! suebeebuzz@me.com visit my Hermit Crab Dollar Store. Crabbing from aprox 1974- I own 12 Species,On Face Book-Susan Staff's Coenobita Research of New Jersey

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Post by kgbenson » Tue Aug 24, 2010 11:04 am

Sugarselections, if you feel that the only difference between your pink and the other indos is the color, I won't gainsay you. I think there is a distinct possibility that they are a subspecies, same with the armored indos (they have a very different morphology). I hope Bob publishes the data someday.

Keith

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Post by KrisDutt » Tue Aug 24, 2010 11:41 am

suebee wrote:Id love to! This is Count Brunberry. He is the most sweet crab ever. Bright green with blue on some legs. He is not symmetric in his coloring like most crabs, one leg is more blue than all the others.
He is wonderful and i would love to have a whole tank of him. He hangs out with the brunies right now. Ive never met a more friendly crab. Thanks for asking to see him.
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He has the most amazing eyes, a cream colored band goes across the top of them. sorry im not a good photographer.
I'm in love :D
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Post by wolfnipplechips » Tue Aug 24, 2010 4:16 pm

Sue, that crab is so pretty!!!
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Post by kgbenson » Tue Aug 24, 2010 6:56 pm

It is generally accepted that humans respond better to people who are acting friendly. Not true for everyone, but say, 99% of people. Folks have been rather hard on ELHC on this an other forums. Why would that make someone go out of his/her way to open up about anything? I am not saying anyone would drag their feet, but I certainly wouldn't rush to satisfy a few detractors.

Think about it, someone emails, calls or meets you. One immediately attacks your ideas, another inquires about them with genuine interest. Who do you have a cup of coffee and a chat with?

You get more flies with honey . . . .

Keith

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