Food search and organization

dylan644 · Post by **dylan644** » Thu Aug 04, 2011 6:51 pm

I have been doing food searches and have been trying to break them down into different groups. Luckly pretty much all of it has been done and all it requires is for me to hunt it down. I have put most of the foods down that you would easiely come by every day. I thought it would be nice to put a list up on LHC for those of you like me who don't like to go site to site to site to site trying to find good food to get for you crabbies when it would be much more convenient to find it all in one place. So far this is what I have.CA's list of Carotene:ApricotsBell pepper of any color, red being the highest in caroteneBlueberriesBroccoliCantaloupeCarrotChardCilantro (raw)Collard greensDandelion greens (raw)Fava beans in the pod (raw)Grape leaves (raw)Lettuce (dark varieties, not iceberg which is nutritionally empty)MangoPapayaParsley (raw)Passion fruitPeachesPeasPersimmonPineapplePumpkin and squash, and seeds (dried)Snap beans (raw)SpinachSpirulinaSeaweeds and microalgaesSweet potatoAstaxanthin is another carotenid found in shrimp and krill and red seaweeds, that the crabs also use.Tannin is also a color booster. Dried oak or sycamore leaves, or raisins help provide this substance.*List courtesy of Epicurean-Hermit A list of Protein from The Hermit Crab CuisineFlax seedFish Flakes- made of fish, no preservative/additivesCricketsChicken- thoroughly cooked and unseasonedEggsChicken Bone MarrowWalnutsWheatA list of Cellulose from The Hermit Crab CuisineKiwifruitJapanese Red Maple LeavesGreen and Red Leaf LettuceFigsEggplantCucumberCranberriesCornmealCornCoconutCitrus FruitsCherriesCauliflowerCantaloupeCabbageBroccoliBell PepperGreen BeanAppleRoseRaspberryPumpkinPetuniaMulberryMossMapleLilacKaleHibiscusDaylilyDandelionDaisyCrabappleCollard GreensCloverCholla WoodCarrotCarnation FlowersBlueberryBlackberryOak- leaves, bark and acornWater MelonGrapesZucchiniA list of Color Enhancing food from The Hermit Crab CuisineJapanese Red Maple LeavesEggsCantaloupeBloodwormsBell PepperRaspberryPumpkinMulberryMapleKaleDaylilyDandelionCollard GreensCarrotsBlueberryOakA list of Calcium rich food from The Hermit Crab CuisineFlax SeedDairyCuttleboneCricketsEgg shellClam shells/ Oyster shells- CrushedChicken BoneCheeseBlack Strap MolassesRaspberryDandelionCollard GreensA list of Chitin from The Hermit Crab CuisineCricketsMushroomCholla WoodA list of Vitamin and Mineral rich foods from The Hermit Crab CuisineKiwifruitGreen and Read leaf LettuceFlax seedFigsExtra Virgin Olive OilEggplantCranberriesCornEggsCoconutClamsCitrus FruitsCherryCauliflowerCantaloupeCabbageBroccoliBlack Strap MolassesBell PepperGreen BeanBananaRoseRaspberryPumpkinMulberryKaleDandelionCrabappleCollard GreensCloverCarrotBlueberryBlackberryWalnutsWater MelonGrapesZucchiniA list of food that has good Oils and Fats from the Hermit Crab CuisineFlax SeedFish OilFish Flakes- made from fishExtra Virgin Olive OilDairyCricketsCornmealChickenEggsCoconutClamsCheeseAlmondsWalnutsWheatAvocadoA list that hermits will find in their native homes from The Hermit Crab CuisineKiwifruitKelpFlax SeedFigsEggsCoconutClamsCitrus FruitBloodwormHibiscusAvocadoA list of food that is high in Zeaxanthin from the Epicurean HermitHigh Levels:Bell pepper, orangeBroccoliCilantroCollardsCorn, yellowCorn mealDandelion greensEgg yolkgrape leavesLettuce, cos or romaineParsley (raw)PeasSpirulinaModerate Levels:AvocadoBeans, snapBell pepper, green or redBlackberriesBrussels sproutsCarrotsChard, SwissFlax seedGreen leaf lettuceKaleMandarinOrangePapayaPersimmon, Japanese (raw)RaspberryTangerineZucchiniLow or Trace Levels:AlmondsApplesBarleyCantaloupeCauliflowerCherries CucumberStar fruit (carambola)Lycopene- a chemical found naturally in food that helps convert vitamin D. It is a RED- Carotene that makes red veggies appear red.tomato puree (can use tomato paste as long as the ingredients are just tomato and nothing else)tomato powdersundried tomatoWatermelonFresh Gac (it's an asian fruit)Fresh Goji BerryRaw tomatoRose HipsPink GuavaPapaya (lycopene values are slightly lower)Liver*List created by ifluctuate* And I also came accross of a list on the Epicurean Hermit that contains most of the harmful ingredients added in commercial food.Acesulfame K (Sunette or Sweet One)Anything enzyme modified *Anything fermented *Anything protein fortified *Ascorbyl PalmitateAspartame (NutraSweet, Equal, Canderel)Autolyzed yeast *Barley malt *BHA (Butylated hydroxyanisole)BHT (butylated hydroxytoluene)Bouillon and Broth *Calcium caseinate * Copper SulfateCyclamatesEnzymes anything *EthoxyquinFlavors(s) & Flavoring(s) *Gelatin *Glutamate * Glutamic acid * High fructose corn syrupHydrogenated or partially-hydrogenated oilHydrolyzed protein (any protein that is hydrolyzed) * Hydrolyzed corn gluten *Magnesium StearateMalt extract *Malt flavoring *Maltodextrin *Menadione (menadione sodium bisulfate complex)Monopotassium glutamate * Monosodium glutamate *Natural beef flavoring *Natural chicken flavoring *Natural pork flavoring *NeotameProtease enzymes *Protease *Prussiate of Soda (sodium ferrocyanide)Red Dye #40SaccharinSeasonings (the word "seasonings") *Sodium caseinate * Soy protein *Soy protein isolate *Soy protein concentrate *Stearic AcidStock *Sucralose (Splenda)Sulphur DioxideTextured protein *Ultra-pasteurized *Whey protein concentrate *Whey protein *Whey protein isolate *Yeast extract *Yeast nutrient *Yeast food ** a source of (or possible source of) Monosodium glutamate, or other free glutamates that are just as harmful and have the same actions. I will be useing this list myself to try and set up a meal planner for the hermit crabs to make sure that they are getting all of the nutrients out of their food that they should be getting.

Nicole · Post by **Nicole** » Fri Aug 05, 2011 2:17 am

Thank you for doing this dylan. It's always nice to see different ways of categorizing the crabby diet. For some reason, I don't think I've ever seen that list of most harmful additives in crab food.

dylan644 · Post by **dylan644** » Fri Aug 05, 2011 5:22 am

I don't know what I did to find it or else I would tell you. I was just randomly reading through stuff on Epicurean Hermit. I will see if I can find it again for you.

dylan644 · Post by **dylan644** » Fri Aug 05, 2011 5:27 am

I just typed in additives on the search bar and that list was the first hit.Adulterants and Additives List

ifluctuate · Post by **ifluctuate** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 3:13 pm

Great List! Very Helpful! Perhaps you could add Tomato to your color enhancing list for Strawberry hermit crabs .. powdered, or sun dried, but they do eat the seeds of the raw ones too. it's loaded with Lycopene ... the most of all Carotene foods apparently. Also Rose Hip is a color enhancing Red-carotene.

ifluctuate · Post by **ifluctuate** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 3:15 pm

also does anyone know if absorbic acid is harmful? I see it in a lot of baby food, and i don't buy it as it sounds bad ... but I thought I'd ask anyways as I don't see it on the list.

Rachel Lillie · Post by **Rachel Lillie** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 3:20 pm

absorbic acid is a fancy word for vitamin c. I think that's okay for them. But that is definitely what it is.

ifluctuate · Post by **ifluctuate** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 4:24 pm

oooh wish there was a smiley face for a "light bulb" moment LOL. thanks for clarifying that for me. All those great foods I've been ignoring have been fine then ...

Rachel Lillie · Post by **Rachel Lillie** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 5:58 pm

I'm not sure why I know that, but I do love facts

Escape · Post by **Escape** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 2:42 am

First off, I realize the plant that is actually in the experiment cannot be fed to the crabs, but I have a question about an aquatic plant.My daughter is doing a biology experiment tomorrow that uses the aquatic plant Elodea. It is an experiment on photosynthesis. They sent us two decent sized bunches, so I know we will have left over plant, and we have to trim the ones we use anyway. My question: Can PPs eat Elodea? I can't find if it is edible or not. If no one knows, I just will not feed it, but I know they would love a nice fresh treat like this if they could.

Keg · Post by **Keg** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 5:28 am

quote:Can PPs eat Elodea? I looked around the web and couldn't find any mention specifically saying hermit crabs eat it. There are other names for it I didn't check.Elodea normally grows in fresh water ponds and our crabs live near salt water so they wouldn't encounter each other in nature I suppose. That wouldn't disqualify it, but suggests why data is not plentiful.*********http://www.mendeley.com/resear...ea-can ... chx/Elodea canadensis (Canadian waterweed) has an ability to accumulate and bioconcentrate heavy metals.************I suppose its ability to concentrate metals wouldn't be much of an issue if you raised it in captivity with filtered water. But if you need an offhand reason to reject it, there it is.I recall reading that beavers eat similar aquatic plants and accumulate signifigant levels of mercury. Even though the ponds they live in don't have alot of mercury. So I vote no.

CrabbieLover1031:D · Post by **CrabbieLover1031:D** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 7:20 am

Can crabs have die like ie. Yellow5, Red Lake6,

Escape · Post by **Escape** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 8:39 am

quote:Originally posted by Keg:quote:Can PPs eat Elodea? I looked around the web and couldn't find any mention specifically saying hermit crabs eat it. There are other names for it I didn't check.Elodea normally grows in fresh water ponds and our crabs live near salt water so they wouldn't encounter each other in nature I suppose. That wouldn't disqualify it, but suggests why data is not plentiful.*********http://www.mendeley.com/resear...ea-can ... chx/Elodea canadensis (Canadian waterweed) has an ability to accumulate and bioconcentrate heavy metals.************I suppose its ability to concentrate metals wouldn't be much of an issue if you raised it in captivity with filtered water. But if you need an offhand reason to reject it, there it is.I recall reading that beavers eat similar aquatic plants and accumulate signifigant levels of mercury. Even though the ponds they live in don't have alot of mercury. So I vote no. I am leaning that way too, but I will do some more research before hand. I am 99% sure that this plant would have been grown in isolation from any toxic substances since it is used for research, and having something like mercury in the medium you are working with could cause skewed results. The reason this plant specifically is used for this experiment is because it processes things so quickly (so CO2 and oxygen (in a way) can be observed). If they can't eat it, it is no big deal. I just want to know since I will have it if they can.

Rachel Lillie · Post by **Rachel Lillie** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:14 am

I vote it's not worth the risk with elodea. It doesn't seem to have much nutritional benefit and certainly not any that aren't gained elsewhere. They wouldn't encounter it in the wild, so you aren't depriving them of any natural encounter by not giving it. The only potential benefit I see is providing a variety of things to eat, which with the list Dylan provided I do not see the need to add it. Just my take

Keg · Post by **Keg** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:37 am

quote:Originally posted by CrabbieLover1031:Can crabs have die like ie. Yellow5, Red Lake6, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_coloringThis goes into detail. I think crabs are better off without any regardless of what is allowed.