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Hello!

Post by Lilymouse385 » Tue Jul 25, 2017 8:34 am

Hi! I'm a new Crabber and I have alot of questions! So I got my hermit crabs yesterday, and the bigger one is afraid of me :? but the smaller one likes me, so I picked him up and let him explore around the outside of his tank and on my hand. I put him up before I went to bed, and I woke up this morning to find the big one in the corner and the small one gone!? (he took his shell with him though).
So, how do I get Karkat (the big one) used to me, and where's the small one? (I know he's probably under the sand, but is he molting?) Also, I have a heater and sponges, but my tank lid is just one of the X pattern covered lids, so do I need to cover it with plastic wrap or moist towels, or am I good?
Thank you!
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Re: Hello!

Post by GotButterflies » Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:24 pm

Hello! :) Welcome!

What is an X pattern covered lid? A mesh lid? If so, yes, I recommend it so that you can keep the humidity in :)

Hermit crabs are prey animals. They are used to hiding. I personally don't handle my hermit crabs. It stresses them out. To each's own though! I would at least recommend you give your hermit crabs some time to adjust to their new home before you handle them

More than likely your crab dug down to destress. Please do not go digging for him/her. This is normal behavior. Hermit crabs are more active at dusk, dawn and at night. :) He/she will come up when he/she is ready :)

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Post by Hermias_mom » Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:42 pm

I think GB meant to say, please cover the lid with plastic wrap, or press-n-seal. That's to keep the humidity in so your crabs can breathe properly. They have modified gills, and if the humidity isn't high enough, it hurts their gills and they have trouble getting enough oxygen. Tank conditions should be 80F and 80% relative humidity, here's a link to a good, cheap combination gage. The dial type gages sold for use with hermit crabs are often wildly inaccurate. https://www.walmart.com/ip/AcuRite-Digi ... 3=&veh=sem

Many of us use an under tank heater (UTH) mounted on the side of the tank to get the temperature up to 80F. This is important for maximum crab health and activity. There are only a few brands of UTH that are useful for crabbers, there's more info in the care sheets.

Here's a link to the HCA care sheets. http://hermitcrabassociation.com/phpBB/ ... m.php?f=51

If you have a red crab with a purple big pincher, you probably have a "purple pincher", or coenobita clypeatus, or carribean land hermit crab.

Sounds like your active crab may be looking for food. What are you feeding them? There is a Safe Food List and a Food Pyramid (by Kilimanjaro) in the care sheets, with a large list of hermit crab safe foods. Many crabbers feed them organic fresh or dried foods with no preservatives or table salt. Most commercial crab foods contain harmful preservatives.

New crabs need to molt as soon as possible. Check out the info on Substrate and Molting in the care sheets. Good moist substrate of the proper type and depth is important for them to live through their molts. Hermit crabs have to molt in order to grow, if they don't molt for long enough, they die. Any damage they have from the capture and shipping process can almost always be fixed by a good molt.

As you get into the care sheets, if you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask us. With good care, crabs can live 10-20+ years in captivity. With poor care, they last 1-2 years.
We are here to help your hermits thrive! Welcome to HCA!!!

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Re: Hello!

Post by Lilymouse385 » Tue Jul 25, 2017 8:08 pm

Um, okay so I was looking at the food lists and stuff, and I have a question...
What's the deal with All Living Things? I bought their pellets and salt water stuff because that was all my petsmart had. Will my crabs be okay? Also my substrate is really dry, do I just mist it or what?
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Unnamed Betta(VT)
Peggy!(Racer Snail)
Lucky and Tavros (Goldfish)
Karkat and Punga(Hermit Crabs)
Reese(Cat)

S.I.P.
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Re: Hello!

Post by soilentgringa » Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:37 pm

Lilymouse385 wrote:Um, okay so I was looking at the food lists and stuff, and I have a question...
What's the deal with All Living Things? I bought their pellets and salt water stuff because that was all my petsmart had. Will my crabs be okay? Also my substrate is really dry, do I just mist it or what?
Few things marketed specifically towards hermit crabs is actually good for them. There are a handful of food products like dried shrimp, or dried fruit mixes that are okay.

I never recommend pellets. Ever. Most contain toxic ingredients and even if they didn't, giving them to crabs is the equivalent of a human living off of Soylent or Ensure for every single meal.



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Re: Hello!

Post by Hermias_mom » Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:55 am

Lilymouse385 wrote:Um, okay so I was looking at the food lists and stuff, and I have a question...
What's the deal with All Living Things? I bought their pellets and salt water stuff because that was all my petsmart had. Will my crabs be okay? Also my substrate is really dry, do I just mist it or what?
When I first got started, I bought all the All LIving Things stuff too, and a bunch of calci-sand, and it was SO not helpful... I ended up having to toss most of it, or take it back to the store. Very frustrating, but unfortunately you're not alone in having done that. The pet store industry is not interested in having our crabs live for 10-20+ years, only for 1-2 years or so, so they can sell us more. The Advocacy Forum has a lot of information on why this is, and what we can do about it. Most things marketed for hermit crabs are overpriced, inefficient, or downright harmful.

Crabs need access to both saltwater and freshwater, in containers large enough that they can submerge if desired, but can safely climb out. Many of us use nested tupperware containers with plastic craft mesh secured to the edge of the container with zip ties. The craft mesh provides a ramp of sorts. In the Pictures Forum you can see folks' tanks and setups, and there are many examples of this, let us know if you can't find it.

For saltwater, many of us use Instant Ocean Sea Salt, which is a saltwater aquarium product. It's very popular (you should be able to find it at Walmart for instance), here's a link to the stuff in the purple box, although you can also use the orange box (it's called Reef Crystals Reef Salt). http://www.instantocean.com/Products/Se ... xture.aspx

It's very important to have the right mineral mix in your saltwater - they need a product that mimics the ocean as closely as possible, and Instant Ocean does that. There's a great care sheet about freshwater, saltwater, and how/why to use a dechlorinator, which I'd recommend you read, as it lays it out pretty clearly, along with test results from folks who've tried a lot of different products to see which actually had the right amount and type of salt. The all living things hermit crab water does not have the minerals/nutrients that the crabs need.

For freshwater, tapwater with an appropriate dechlorinator, such as API or Prime, is a good solution, although there is a variety of water sources that HCA members use. A dechlorinator is essential because it removes harmful chlorine and chloramine, which can burn hermit crab gills. Also, crabs are sensitive to heavy metals, most of which are toxic to them. A good dechlorinator removes the chlorine, ammonia, nitrates/nitrites, and heavy metals. If your water supply has those items in it, removal of all those items is needful for optimal crab health.

A good substrate to start with is playsand / coconut fiber (such as Eco-Earth) mixed in a 5:1 (by volume) ratio, moistened to sandcastle consistency with marine saltwater (such as Instant Ocean mixed according to the instructions on the box). Sand marketed for hermit crabs is often calci-sand, or calcium sand. This clumps badly when wet and can stick crabs in their shells as it hardens to a concrete-like consistency when it dries out. Also it doesn't hold hermit crab molting caves well. You can find playsand (also may be known as all purpose sand) at the hardware store for maybe $5 for a 50 lb bag. It's a quartz silica sand that doesn't clump and holds molting caves well when moistened appropriately. Be sure not to breathe the sand dust when it's dry - mixing up your substrate is a good task to do outside if you're able.

Substrate depth should be 6" minimum or three times the height of your largest crab, whichever is deeper. This is to hold the molting caves properly and give enough room for them to burrow and molt without running into each other. If a molting crab gets interrupted by a non-molting crab, the non-molting crab will often eat the molting crab. So deep substrate moistened to sandcastle consistency is really important for safe crab molting. Good crab nutrition, with a variety of calcium and protein sources, also helps cut down on cannibalism.

The only commercial crab food that I use is FMR Fruit Treat. It actually has safe ingredients and no preservatives, and my crabs love it. But crabs need a variety of nutrients, and the main staple of their diet should actually be protein (see the food pyramid in the care sheets).

Some easy people foods you may already have on hand that you can feed them right now as you search for proper food for them - organic coconut oil or dried coconut, scrambled egg with eggshell (with no salt, butter, etc, basically rinse and dry a raw egg, then crush up the entire egg including the shell into a bowl, then microwave the egg until it's cooked. You can chop this up into quarter inch pieces, feed them one piece a couple times a week, and store the rest in the freezer), oak and maple leaves and branches (if you live in an area where they don't spray for mosquitoes and your trees are not treated with pesticides or herbicides), pecans or almonds (raw unsalted, organic if you can find it), bee pollen, and organic honey.

From the reptile section of the pet store, you can find dried river shrimp or dried krill - you might want to crush this up well with a mortar and pestle to encourage your hermits to eat it. Some folks have good luck feeding canned insects, I've only had luck getting mine to eat the dried ones, and I had to crush all of those up or they wouldn't touch them. Also, crabs LOVE cuttlebone. It's an awesome calcium source which is easy to find in the pet store - it's marketed for turtles.

Hope this helps a bit. Let us know if you have more questions! :)
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Re: Hello!

Post by Lilymouse385 » Thu Jul 27, 2017 9:23 pm

Hermias_mom wrote:
Lilymouse385 wrote:Um, okay so I was looking at the food lists and stuff, and I have a question...
What's the deal with All Living Things? I bought their pellets and salt water stuff because that was all my petsmart had. Will my crabs be okay? Also my substrate is really dry, do I just mist it or what?
When I first got started, I bought all the All LIving Things stuff too, and a bunch of calci-sand, and it was SO not helpful... I ended up having to toss most of it, or take it back to the store. Very frustrating, but unfortunately you're not alone in having done that. The pet store industry is not interested in having our crabs live for 10-20+ years, only for 1-2 years or so, so they can sell us more. The Advocacy Forum has a lot of information on why this is, and what we can do about it. Most things marketed for hermit crabs are overpriced, inefficient, or downright harmful.

Crabs need access to both saltwater and freshwater, in containers large enough that they can submerge if desired, but can safely climb out. Many of us use nested tupperware containers with plastic craft mesh secured to the edge of the container with zip ties. The craft mesh provides a ramp of sorts. In the Pictures Forum you can see folks' tanks and setups, and there are many examples of this, let us know if you can't find it.

For saltwater, many of us use Instant Ocean Sea Salt, which is a saltwater aquarium product. It's very popular (you should be able to find it at Walmart for instance), here's a link to the stuff in the purple box, although you can also use the orange box (it's called Reef Crystals Reef Salt). http://www.instantocean.com/Products/Se ... xture.aspx

It's very important to have the right mineral mix in your saltwater - they need a product that mimics the ocean as closely as possible, and Instant Ocean does that. There's a great care sheet about freshwater, saltwater, and how/why to use a dechlorinator, which I'd recommend you read, as it lays it out pretty clearly, along with test results from folks who've tried a lot of different products to see which actually had the right amount and type of salt. The all living things hermit crab water does not have the minerals/nutrients that the crabs need.

For freshwater, tapwater with an appropriate dechlorinator, such as API or Prime, is a good solution, although there is a variety of water sources that HCA members use. A dechlorinator is essential because it removes harmful chlorine and chloramine, which can burn hermit crab gills. Also, crabs are sensitive to heavy metals, most of which are toxic to them. A good dechlorinator removes the chlorine, ammonia, nitrates/nitrites, and heavy metals. If your water supply has those items in it, removal of all those items is needful for optimal crab health.

A good substrate to start with is playsand / coconut fiber (such as Eco-Earth) mixed in a 5:1 (by volume) ratio, moistened to sandcastle consistency with marine saltwater (such as Instant Ocean mixed according to the instructions on the box). Sand marketed for hermit crabs is often calci-sand, or calcium sand. This clumps badly when wet and can stick crabs in their shells as it hardens to a concrete-like consistency when it dries out. Also it doesn't hold hermit crab molting caves well. You can find playsand (also may be known as all purpose sand) at the hardware store for maybe $5 for a 50 lb bag. It's a quartz silica sand that doesn't clump and holds molting caves well when moistened appropriately. Be sure not to breathe the sand dust when it's dry - mixing up your substrate is a good task to do outside if you're able.

Substrate depth should be 6" minimum or three times the height of your largest crab, whichever is deeper. This is to hold the molting caves properly and give enough room for them to burrow and molt without running into each other. If a molting crab gets interrupted by a non-molting crab, the non-molting crab will often eat the molting crab. So deep substrate moistened to sandcastle consistency is really important for safe crab molting. Good crab nutrition, with a variety of calcium and protein sources, also helps cut down on cannibalism.

The only commercial crab food that I use is FMR Fruit Treat. It actually has safe ingredients and no preservatives, and my crabs love it. But crabs need a variety of nutrients, and the main staple of their diet should actually be protein (see the food pyramid in the care sheets).

Some easy people foods you may already have on hand that you can feed them right now as you search for proper food for them - organic coconut oil or dried coconut, scrambled egg with eggshell (with no salt, butter, etc, basically rinse and dry a raw egg, then crush up the entire egg including the shell into a bowl, then microwave the egg until it's cooked. You can chop this up into quarter inch pieces, feed them one piece a couple times a week, and store the rest in the freezer), oak and maple leaves and branches (if you live in an area where they don't spray for mosquitoes and your trees are not treated with pesticides or herbicides), pecans or almonds (raw unsalted, organic if you can find it), bee pollen, and organic honey.

From the reptile section of the pet store, you can find dried river shrimp or dried krill - you might want to crush this up well with a mortar and pestle to encourage your hermits to eat it. Some folks have good luck feeding canned insects, I've only had luck getting mine to eat the dried ones, and I had to crush all of those up or they wouldn't touch them. Also, crabs LOVE cuttlebone. It's an awesome calcium source which is easy to find in the pet store - it's marketed for turtles.

Hope this helps a bit. Let us know if you have more questions! :)
Luckily, the kit thing I bought came with food, and I just checked the safe food list for every ingredient, and it checks out! I guess I'll have to buy different saltwater though. I don't know what kinda substrate my tank has though, because most of the stuff I got came in this bundle I got off craigslist. It seems to be ecoearth type stuff with a little bit of sand mixed in. But how do I get the substrate to be moist? Oh! Also, the bigger crab, Karkat changed shells last night, but the shell he changed into is a bit too big for him. Will he be okay?
Thank you! :D
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Unnamed Betta(VT)
Peggy!(Racer Snail)
Lucky and Tavros (Goldfish)
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Reese(Cat)

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Post by aussieJJDude » Fri Jul 28, 2017 12:27 am

A photo of the substrate might help, not necessarily if its the right sand but more the concentration of the EE (if it is EE) to the sand...

As for moisture, it depends on really how dry it is. If its super dry, using cup full of water and dumping it in would be a good idea (removing all crabs beforehand) and then mixing it until its sandcastle moist. If its a tad dry, spraying with freshwater until its back to sandcastle consistency would be a good way to go.

Regardless, the sand must be able to hold a cave. If you are able to push down a stick - or ruler- along the front glass and all the way down to the bottom, and once removed notice no collapsing or water pooling, your at the 'golden ratio' of substrate to water. its common for the top to be slightly drier however, due to evaporation.
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Re: Hello!

Post by Hermias_mom » Fri Jul 28, 2017 7:17 am

The crabs pick the size and type of shells they want to wear. The shell may seem big to you, but he chose it because he likes it. As long as your crab is happy, all is good! :) A lot of us laugh sometimes about the shell choices of our crabs that seem crazy to us! :lol:
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Re: Hello!

Post by Lilymouse385 » Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:41 pm

Thanks so much! Sorry I have alot of questions..
I'll get pictures soon!
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Unnamed Betta(VT)
Peggy!(Racer Snail)
Lucky and Tavros (Goldfish)
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Reese(Cat)

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Re: Hello!

Post by Hermias_mom » Mon Jul 31, 2017 11:10 am

Lilymouse385 wrote:Thanks so much! Sorry I have alot of questions..
I'll get pictures soon!
Don't be afraid of asking questions. Most of us would rather you asked than didn't. If you don't ask, how can we help you help your crabs to thrive? :D

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Re: Hello!

Post by Lilymouse385 » Mon Jul 31, 2017 1:48 pm

Okay, so I had this great idea last night to let Punga crawl around on my bookshelf, and I put a little toy horse type fence around the space so he wouldn't fall, and he loved it! He likes to climb side to side and up and down on the fence, so I was wondering if it would be alright to put some of the fence in his tank so he can always climb on it?

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Unnamed Betta(VT)
Peggy!(Racer Snail)
Lucky and Tavros (Goldfish)
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Reese(Cat)

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Post by GotButterflies » Mon Jul 31, 2017 2:32 pm

Lilymouse385 wrote:Okay, so I had this great idea last night to let Punga crawl around on my bookshelf, and I put a little toy horse type fence around the space so he wouldn't fall, and he loved it! He likes to climb side to side and up and down on the fence, so I was wondering if it would be alright to put some of the fence in his tank so he can always climb on it?

:crabbigsmile:

Hello :) It would depend what the fence is made of :)
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Re: Hello!

Post by Hermias_mom » Mon Jul 31, 2017 3:36 pm

Hard semi-flexible plastic (like craft mesh or plastic buckets) is almost always fine. Plastic that crabs can tear up with their pincers, and most types of metal sheeting aren't. There is a low-cost fencing material that shows up often, called galvanized steel. This is steel dipped in zinc, and zinc is toxic to crabs in large amounts, so I wouldn't recommend letting them climb around on that.

Lots of folks put in branches (pesticide free), fishing net, and hemp nets/ropes for them to climb. Also check out modified hamster wheels. They love them!!! Cork rounds and cork bark, fake(aquarium type plastic) plants, etc. are all okay.
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