Molting or Dead?

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Molting or Dead?

Post by HermieGuy » Sat Jan 13, 2024 4:25 am

I'm pretty sure my little guy, Shelli, has been molting for the past month and a half. The first thing I noticed in December before he stopped moving was that the tips of his claws and legs were turning white and he was eating a lot more than usual. Before he started becoming REALLY inactive, he was unmoving for about two days. He was in a position where he wasn't fully in his shell, but he wasn't hanging out of it either.

Around that time I did not have enough substrate in my ten gallon tank. About two weeks ago I added some more. (Coco fiber and sand) I added this to the sand in the tank that I scooped up from a beach. Before I added more substrate I noticed that Shelli had moved to the other end of the tank and dug into the substrate a bit. So when I added more substrate I avoided pouring it into the side of the tank he was in so I didn't disturb him.

Since I have beach sand mixed in with the rest of the substrate my tank smells pretty beachy. That and the humidity is giving the tank a slight odor. I do not currently smell anything too foul. About an hour ago I carefully used a spoon to dig under the area that Shelli was in and scooped him up. A friend of mine recommended I shake the shell, and I did. He did not fall out at all. Is this good?

Also, I don't 100% know about this but would my bigger hermit crab, Scuttle, start acting weird if Shelli were to die? He usually is moving around at night a lot to eat and climb into the dish of salt water to bathe. He stays in a coco hut I recently put in the tank most of the time and he is still very active.

I have some images of the tank and Shelli (and Scuttle!). (Sorry if the heat lamp makes it hard to see, I need it on constantly for the winter months as I don't crank the thermostat up more than 57 to save on my heating bill.)

Shelli is in the same shell he was in when I got him (shiny gold shell) and Scuttle is much bigger and switched to a different one that wasn't painted on a few months ago.

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Re: Molting or Dead?

Post by curlysister » Sat Jan 13, 2024 12:10 pm

How deep is your substrate now? It should be 2-3 times as deep as your largest crab. Is it moistened with dechlorinated water so that it holds it's shape (ie- sand castle consistency)?
What are your temp and humidity reading?
If you have shells that are painted, you should take them out of your tank - they aren't really safe for crabs. Have you looked at our 'shells' care sheet? He may not have left the painted gold one because the other shells may not be the preferred types for PPs.
You don't need the sponge in the water - all the sponge does is harbor bacteria. If the water dishes are deeper than the crabs, there are other ways to ensure they can get out (craft mesh, ladder, etc). What brand of dechlorinator and marine salt are you using for the water?
Have your read through our 'nutrition' care sheet? Crabs need a varied diet that includes protein and calcium daily.

If your crab is weak, you might consider isolating him from the other crab. You can do this in the main tank, using a margarine container or similar with holes cut for the lid. Or if the other crab is above ground, use a 2L pop bottle with the cap off and bottom cut off - press it down into the substrate so the crab is protected but still has the same tank conditions.
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Re: Molting or Dead?

Post by HermieGuy » Sat Jan 13, 2024 12:42 pm

Currently my substrate is 1.5 inches deep on the end of the tank I poured it into. The area I left alone is only 1 inch deep. I know I need to add more, but is it safe to add more with Shelli molting? (If so, I'll pour some of my substrate mix into a baking pan and heat it in the oven for a few minutes) I do mist the tank frequently to keep the sand at sandcastle consistency and to keep the tank humid.

I do not have a digital reader for my temp and humidity, but the indicator dial on my humidity reader is always between the moderate and humid markers. The temperature of the tank is constantly kept at 70 degrees. I am currently looking for a heat mat that isn't too expensive or too small so the tank can be warmer, because I don't think my heat lamp is doing enough to keep the tank heated well.

Shelli still fits comfortably in his current shell, as he hasn't grown much in the months I've had him. Scuttle did move out of his painted shell though, but that was because he started getting bigger and was getting too big for that shell.

My hermit crabs are fed a mix of pellets, dried shrimp and dried mealworms, along with finely ground-up eggshells for extra calcium. I used to feed them cornmeal a few months ago, but found that they needed other healthy things to munch on and switched to the food medley. I will remove the sponges immediately, thanks for telling me about them absorbing bacteria!

As I tend to be a money saver, my dechlorinated water used to be tap water (gross!) but I poured it into a kettle and boiled all the chemicals out of it. My salt water was made using the dechlorinated water and fine-crystal sea salt. (I used the recommended measurements of sea salt to mix into it before I poured it into a separate bottle) I made sure there were no nasty chemicals added to the sea salt before using.

Scuttle is not currently bothering Shelli and has been avoiding crawling around the area that Shelli is in, but I will consider using a pop bottle to isolate Shelli like you've recommended.
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Re: Molting or Dead?

Post by curlysister » Sat Jan 13, 2024 1:49 pm

Currently my substrate is 1.5 inches deep on the end of the tank I poured it into. The area I left alone is only 1 inch deep. I know I need to add more, but is it safe to add more with Shelli molting? (If so, I'll pour some of my substrate mix into a baking pan and heat it in the oven for a few minutes) I do mist the tank frequently to keep the sand at sandcastle consistency and to keep the tank humid.
Curly - If there are no crabs underground, you can add as much new substrate as you need. Even if crabs are underground, you can add it, you just need to be careful not to drop it in or pack it down. From what you said, Shelli is above ground. Was there any of his old exoskeleton with him? If not, you don't know whether he is preparing to molt or is in trouble health wise.

I do not have a digital reader for my temp and humidity, but the indicator dial on my humidity reader is always between the moderate and humid markers. The temperature of the tank is constantly kept at 70 degrees. I am currently looking for a heat mat that isn't too expensive or too small so the tank can be warmer, because I don't think my heat lamp is doing enough to keep the tank heated well.
Curly - Are there numbers associated with 'moderate and humid'? You will need to get a hygrometer that you can see what the actual relative humidity reading is. And 70 degrees is too cold for hermit crabs. 72 is the lowest they can tolerate, but closer to 80 is safer to allow for dips in heat. Heat lamps tend to decrease the humidity even more, so if you don't live in a humid area, your crabs can quickly get into trouble using heat lamps.

Shelli still fits comfortably in his current shell, as he hasn't grown much in the months I've had him. Scuttle did move out of his painted shell though, but that was because he started getting bigger and was getting too big for that shell.

My hermit crabs are fed a mix of pellets, dried shrimp and dried mealworms, along with finely ground-up eggshells for extra calcium. I used to feed them cornmeal a few months ago, but found that they needed other healthy things to munch on and switched to the food medley. I will remove the sponges immediately, thanks for telling me about them absorbing bacteria!
Curly - Most commercial pellets aren't safe long term, as they contain preservatives. Crabs do well with a variety of foods in their diet, including animal protein, fruits, veggies, nuts, seeds, greens, grains, etc.

As I tend to be a money saver, my dechlorinated water used to be tap water (gross!) but I poured it into a kettle and boiled all the chemicals out of it. My salt water was made using the dechlorinated water and fine-crystal sea salt. (I used the recommended measurements of sea salt to mix into it before I poured it into a separate bottle) I made sure there were no nasty chemicals added to the sea salt before using.
Curly - Unfortunately, boiling won't remove everything that needs to be removed from tap water, in order to be safe for crabs. Read through our 'water' care sheet for full info, but tap water with a dechlorinator such as SeaChem Prime is what is recommended. Then you will need to use a marine salt such as Instant Ocean to make the salt water. Sea salt doesn't have the minerals needed for long term health.

Scuttle is not currently bothering Shelli and has been avoiding crawling around the area that Shelli is in, but I will consider using a pop bottle to isolate Shelli like you've recommended.
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Re: Molting or Dead?

Post by HermieGuy » Sat Jan 13, 2024 2:06 pm

I'm adding more substrate now and draping more towels around the sides and top of my tank to try and warm the tank more, and it looks like I'll need to go out to buy a different hygrometer and some good heat mats!

As for their food, I have plenty of fresh fruits and veggies that I can put in the tank for them in little bits and pieces. I'm not sure if any meats or worms are okay to put in the tank, though. I'd have to do some research on that.

As for the freshwater and saltwater, I'll look for some dechlorinating products and marine salt while I'm out looking for other things.

(UPDATE: I checked the temp dial, it's a little bit lower than 75 degrees right now, either at 73 or 74. The extra towels on the tank seemed to help increase the temperature.)

My current hygrometer has no numbers, but it has indicators. I believe it goes by fives? If so, my humidity is around 80-90%.
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Re: Molting or Dead?

Post by HermieGuy » Sat Jan 13, 2024 2:30 pm

As for the exoskeleton, I do not know what to look for.

I do know what a dead hermit crab looks like though, as my smallest one Seaweed died two months ago. He was still fully in his shell, but after a week of him not moving and a bad odor stinking up the tank I decided to investigate. He smelled terrible, and when I shook his shell he fell right out! It was a shock to me, but he was probably suffering from health issues as he used to eat very, very little in two week's time.

I do know that disturbing a hermit crab that is possibly molting can kill it, but I shook Shelli's shell last night. He did not fall out even a little bit, which hopefully is a good sign. I probably screwed up his molting but I misted him after placing him back on the substrate and made sure he was in a safe position.
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Re: Molting or Dead?

Post by curlysister » Sat Jan 13, 2024 9:30 pm

Digital hygrometer/ thermometer combos are more accurate than analog. Many of us use AcuRite ones, which are around ten dollars even in Canada LOL. You don't have to spend a lot on anything fancy.
All meats are safe. If you haven't checked out the 'nutrition' care sheet yet, it's got all the info you need to know!
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Re: Molting or Dead?

Post by HermieGuy » Sat Jan 13, 2024 10:27 pm

Alright, got it! I'll try to find one of those tomorrow. For now I'll keep checking on Shelli. :)
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Re: Molting or Dead?

Post by HermieGuy » Fri Jan 26, 2024 3:22 pm

Update: I got home from work a while ago and went up to my room to mist the tank. I found Shelli completely out of his shell. I cannot tell for sure if he is dead or not, but I am afraid to touch him right now and I can only assume (for now) that he has passed...

I do have a picture. But I will warn everyone who views this post that it may be disturbing or triggering.
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