Saltwater pool tips to encourage usage by crabs

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Saltwater pool tips to encourage usage by crabs

Post by Sweetp » Sat Aug 30, 2014 7:04 am

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Protein skimmer hanging on right side of salt water pool (view from front of crab tank)
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(view from left side of tank showing ramp into water)

Hi all
I have been monitoring my crabs over the past 18 months and have made many changes along the way. I have made many mistakes but have learnt from them.
I have a book which I record everything in on a daily basis which has been very helpful. From the information I have collected I have been able to create a maintenance schedule that works well for me.
I have also recorded each crabs activity e.g. accessing the fresh or salt water pools, moulting, shell changes, and preferred times they like to swim and how long. (e.g. moe like to swim in the early hours of the morning)

My main aim is to create a setup which ensures I spent more time enjoying my crabs then stressing out with problems.

I hope the following information will help others and save them both time and money.

Due to my setup my crabs use their saltwater pool everyday and will spend many hours underwater. Most will be out within 12 hours.
Some of my crabs like to sleep while in their saltwater pool either on a shell/under the pool ramp or at the bottom of the pool.
Saltwater pools are great for a stressed out crabs who might have just came up from a moult (removes smell ) been attacked, eaten bad food or need a little bit a space away from the others.

Below is a list of items I use to resolve the main factors that depend on how long my crabs will use/stay in their saltwater pool
One of the most important things to remember is to ensure everything going into your saltwater pool is marine grade not tropical. (check yourself not trust sales staff as anything with a metal part will hurt your crabs e.g. pumps, filters etc)

1) water temperture eg crabs don't like cold water especially in the colder months (monitor water temp with thermometer suction capped to side wall)
I use a AQUEL Easyheater 50watt which is set at 25 deg (if water temp drops heater turns on until it reaches 25 deg at which time it will turn off again) This model will not burn your crabs, its thin and short so it doesn't take up much room and best of all its unbreakable.

2) conditions of water eg clean water, ph, nitrates and salt levels etc Marked water level ensures I know how much water in tank. Use a refractor to measure salt levels each week
I do weekly top ups of fresh water if needed to my saltwater pool, I test the saltwater weekly with API high range test kits (depending on results of test will add required product if needed e.g. buffer to raise ph. My ph level is maintained at 8.3)
I remove 9 litres every month from my saltwater pool when I do my major clean. I use the old water to clean equipment from the tank e.g. ceramic balls, protein skimmer etc
I measure and mix up 9 litres of Red Sea Salt in a bucket on day of use. i use a pump to mix the water and add a heater to ensure water is 25 deg before it is added to tank water

3) oxygen levels within the water eg micro bubbles produced by the protein skimmer and air stones
I use a AquaOne Nanoskim 90 Litre Protein Skimmer which hangs on the side of the salt water pool.Its fantastic at keeping the water clean and creating micro bubbles in the water .
I use ceramic balls within the protein skimmer as my media which ensures good bacteria is maintains within the salt water .
I have a long air stone along the bottom of the pool so my crabs can use to assist them in cleaning out their shells.

4) water depth ensure pool water is deep enough that largest crab is fully submerged (double height of largest crab when fully extended /stretched out)
28 cm deep pool ensures all crabs are happy (they seem to enjoy the water pressure and it give their gills a good workout)

5) substrate and items in pool eg crabs need something to hold onto while they remove the air from their shells before they can enjoy a swim.
My crabs like to explore/climb/move items while in their pool . I change the items in their pool each month so it makes the pool a fun area to explore
My substrate is Aragonite which is small enough that it doesn't get caught in their shells and the crabs enjoy walking/digging in it.
Aragonite also assist in maintaining a good ph level in your saltwater.

6) good access eg ensure your crabs can get in/out easily eg a safe place to explore
My ramp system is made out of garden kneeling mats (foam) plastic gutter guard, cable ties and a flat rock so its suitable for use in a marine use.
I have a shell/rock placed at the bottom of the ramp in the pool to aid the crabs getting air from their shells on the way into the pool. (most crabs remove the air as they walk down the ramp but sometimes air is still trapped when they step of the ramp and if they can't grab something quick they will float to the surface.
This can be very stressful for a crab. That is why I have added a weighted plastic plant. They can pull themselves down the plant and remove the remaining air from their shell.

Thank you for taking the time to read this information and hopefully this will assist you with your salt water pool
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Re: Saltwater pool tips to encourage usage by crabs

Post by Ellysara » Sat Aug 30, 2014 12:02 pm

This is very interesting Sweetp. Lately I've been wondering if the water bowls should be more "ocean-like" to encourage interest.

Do you notice more activity by crabs of different species?
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Post by aussieJJDude » Sat Aug 30, 2014 5:37 pm

Ellysara, Sweetp has C. Variabilis (aussies) in her tat, unfortunately that what most of the crabbers in australia are allowed to legally acquire. However a few I know, have managed to buy some straws, however the cost - $$$ - and they rather large.
However, Sweetp that was an interesting read. Lately i was thinking more about the pools and this really has got me thinking. If one was to put a similar protein skimmer in their pools, would it harm the skimmer if it was surrounded by sand or water - however not completely submerged, most like half of the outer casing.
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Re: Saltwater pool tips to encourage usage by crabs

Post by Sweetp » Sun Aug 31, 2014 5:32 am

aussieJJDude wrote:Ellysara, Sweetp has C. Variabilis (aussies) in her tat, unfortunately that what most of the crabbers in australia are allowed to legally acquire. However a few I know, have managed to buy some straws, however the cost - $$$ - and they rather large.
However, Sweetp that was an interesting read. Lately i was thinking more about the pools and this really has got me thinking. If one was to put a similar protein skimmer in their pools, would it harm the skimmer if it was surrounded by sand or water - however not completely submerged, most like half of the outer casing.
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assiejjdude - You are correct that I currently only have Aussie crabs however I am researching my options regarding introducing new breeds. Cost and size are not an issue for me. I Need to ensure any new crabs introduced into my tank will not upset the balance.

Skimmers - (your question does not make sense)
I'm not sure if you have seen or done any research on protein skimmers but I will try and give you a very basic run down on them
There are 3 different types of skimmers on the market (many brands )

I use a hob (hang on back type) as it suits my application.

My skimmer sits off the ground due to the height of my pool. Under my skimmer I have a foam track which sits directly on my substrate of sand/coco fibre mix and against it allowing my crabs an area to walk along and look into the saltwater pool.
Salt water is pulled up the intake pipe into the skimmer after passing a foam filter. The water is pushed through the pump and ceramic balls which hold the good bacteria then passes into the chamber holding the lime wood air stone. Any waste is collected via the micro bubbles created by the skimmer and pushed into the collection cup. While the clean water is pushed back into the pool via the waterfall

Below is listed the different types of protein skimmer available

Hang on back skimmers This type are counter current devices powered by an air pump and air stones, venturi and other skimming methods that doesn't require any space in or under the tank or require any plumbing. They are designed to be quite compact, fitting easily onto almost any aquarium, simple to set up or move, and very efficient for their size.

In-tank skimmers Most are co-current devices powered by an air pump and air stones, but some are pump driven, complete with venturi valves. In-tank units are the least expensive way to add a protein skimmer to your system. Unfortunately, they take up valuable tank space.

In-sump or reservoir skimmers are not suitable for hermit crab tanks as they are fitted inside the sump area located at the back of a marine nano or reef tank etc because they can easily be hidden. In-sump skimmers are usually counter-current, Berlin, or venturi driven units, but often have combined skimming capabilities.

How a protein skimmer works
Protein skimming, or foam fractionating as it is also known, is thought by many aquarists to be the second most important form of filtration in a saltwater aquarium, right behind biological filtration. In practice, a well functioning protein skimmer can take a huge load off of the biological filter by getting rid of proteins or D.O.C.'s (Dissolved Organic Compounds) before they reach the bacteria in the biological filter.
How does foam fractionating remove proteins? The simple answer is "with air bubbles". As bubbles pass through saltwater which contains dissolved proteins, they collect the proteins on their surface. When the bubbles burst at the water's surface, the proteins are sprayed onto a collection surface in the skimmer, where they drain downward into a collection cup.

I hope the above information is helpful
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Post by delphinula511 » Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:03 pm

Do they really stay under the water for hours? I thought they would drown. They are amazing creatures. Scientists who research crab biology probably don't even know this. I think that much information has been brought to light in only the last decade or so due to the popularity of hermit crabs as pets. I've learned much that I never read anywhere. I had a PP with a damaged leg and observed it's very small appendage from inside the shell with a tiny pincher at the end pick the leg at the joint where it connects to the body. the damaged leg is now gone.

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Post by aussieJJDude » Mon Sep 01, 2014 2:57 am

Sorry, my question came out funny...
What I was meant to say: regarding the HOB skimmer, is it ok to put a bit of the outer casing in water or sand or could it damage it?

Thanks for the detailed reply, it was interesting to read since I am always lurking on the reef forums. :hlol:
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Post by jillybeans » Wed May 20, 2015 9:39 pm

Thank you for all the info! Im creating a pool for my hermits, and i'm definitely going to use this as a resource! :)

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Post by Sweetp » Sun May 24, 2015 7:48 pm

Hi all

Its been almost a year since I posted my saltwater pool tips and I thought you might like an update.

I am happy to report that my hermit crab family is still enjoying their saltwater pool.
I have learnt a great deal about my hermit crab family from watching them around their pool area.
Some crabs are leaders others followers and some prefer to swim on their own.

Its amazing how when one crab learns a new trick it won't take long before the others follow. e.g. playing/moving a cermaic ball across the pool bottom or climbing into the saltwater pool via the pool heater instead of walking around the pool and up the pool ramp.(lazy little fellows)

Some prefer to swim early in the mornings while other late at night.

There is some many things they like to do while in their saltwater pool e.g., climbing shells etc, sleeping, eating, follow the leader, laps around pool, hanging upside down, watch you as you move about the room, washing out shell using protein skimmer, piggy back rides etc

I will be posting a few videos in the near future on utube showing some of my crabs swimming late at night. The videos have been shot using night vision.(I will post a link once done)

I hope others will trying creating larger saltwater pools for their hermit crab families as they can be very rewarding.

Please do not give up on your first attend. It took me 5 versions before I got it right for my setup. All the blood sweat and plenty of tears was worth it in the end .

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated
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Post by Reptilian Feline » Tue Jun 02, 2015 5:16 am

I love the idea of a proper sized pool for my hermies, so this is something I will keep in mind for later when I get a bigger crabitat.

Sorry if I missed it somewhere in your posts, but what about fresh water... do you have a pool for that as well, or just a small dish so they can drink?
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Post by Sweetp » Tue Jun 02, 2015 6:52 am

Reptilian Feline wrote:I love the idea of a proper sized pool for my hermies, so this is something I will keep in mind for later when I get a bigger crabitat.

Sorry if I missed it somewhere in your posts, but what about fresh water... do you have a pool for that as well, or just a small dish so they can drink?
Hi Reptilian Feline

I so glad the information I supplied was useful and you will be considering creating a larger saltwater pool for your hermit crab family in the future.
Some people have success with built in pools.

I myself found greater success when I added a small tank into my main tank for my saltwater pool as it gave me more options on how I wanted to set it up eg able to add a hang on back protein skimmer (hob type) and pool heater without loosing too much space . Also its great to be able to remove the pool if required / desired for a complete clean.

Another way to create a trial large saltwater pool is to use a large Tupperware container with a few airstones.
I have spoken to a number of people who purchase seawater (obtained from the sea and stored in containers at the pet shop) on a fortnightly basis. I have never tried this method myself but it's a way to trial a larger pool without having to worry about cycling the water first.
I would only recommend using seawater for a trial period as it doesn't have all the trace elements that Red Sea Salt or any other commercial salt additives have and your crabs need.
I currently use a 2 litre pottery dish for my fresh water pool with a airstone ring. I have a flat rock which sits over ½ the airstone which allows the crabs a place to sit. Some crabs like to lean over the rock to flush their shell out using the airstone. Others like to nap on the rock while others prefer to hang over the rim to drink only.
Due to the amount of active and dirt brought into their fresh water pool I need to change the water every second day. That the main reason why I have a smaller fresh water pool
I have found a glazed pottery bowl is great for a pool for the following reasons 1) easy to clean 2) wide rim great for crabs hanging/climbing, 3) rough surface allows crabs to move about without sliding, 4) heavy so crabs can't move or turn over, 5) can place in microwave oven with water to kill any germs

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Post by KellyCrabbieLove » Tue Jun 02, 2015 8:24 am

I caught one of my larges in my 2.5 gal salt water pool last night. I haven't caught many swimming in the fw pool though.
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Post by Asheka » Tue Jun 02, 2015 12:23 pm

I placed my mini sand dollars in a row on the fw ladder after redecorating, and one has been pushed off. I'm hoping that means someone is using them. Only proof I have heh

Off topic a little, but I noticed the SW pool evaporates faster. Is that normal?
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Post by KellyCrabbieLove » Tue Jun 02, 2015 12:25 pm

I have a filter in my fw (sw has had 2 that keep getting destroyed by the salt) I don't notice much of a difference .
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Post by Asheka » Tue Jun 02, 2015 12:46 pm

Hmm I think the air stone is a bit stronger in that one, that'd probably do it some, right?
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Post by KellyCrabbieLove » Tue Jun 02, 2015 2:58 pm

Before I did filters I did airstones. The stronger one got a lot of attention. The other was ignored if that helps at all.

If stronger they might go in there and the water will go down faster.
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